Edwin Diaz hurt celebrating WBC win

[brett05]

Usually surgeons want the swelling to subside so they can see what they have to work on. Waiting doesn't cause any further damage, if the area is immobilized and hurrying won't get him back on the mound this season.

I guess , does it swell from this type of injury?

[catman]

I guess , does it swell from this type of injury?

Anytime there is a soft-tissue injury, swelling is part of it. The knee capsule will fill with synovial fluid (nature's way of immobilizing the area).

[brett05]

Anytime there is a soft-tissue injury, swelling is part of it. The knee capsule will fill with synovial fluid (nature's way of immobilizing the area).

Thanks for helping me out!

So when they don't wait, what happens? Does fluids start rushing out at the point of the incision?

[catman]

Usually they drain the fluid before they open the knee up.

[WOwolfOL]

Looks like Nimmo suffered a possible significant injury on a slide into 2B tonight



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[metswon69]

Looks like Nimmo suffered a possible significant injury on a slide into 2B tonight



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Its an ankle injury but they don't think its serious.

[WOwolfOL]

Its an ankle injury but they don't think its serious.

That's good. That would have been a ****ing hard pill to swallow.

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[spliff(TONE)]

Altuve removed from yesterday's game after getting hit in the hand by a pitch and ended up being a broken finger. He'll likely miss the next couple of months.

[nyyfan555]

cAnCeL tHe wBc!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/injuries

We should definitely cancel spring training as well.

[metswon69]

cAnCeL tHe wBc!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/injuries

We should definitely cancel spring training as well.

To be fair, if your team had Judge, Cole or some other important piece playing in the WBC and they lost an entire year due to celebrating a meaningless game, you would be mad as well. Even more so in a year where you think you can challenge for a WS title.

And to that point, Diaz presumably doesn't completely tear his patella tendon in a ST game because they're not jumping up and down in a win against the Cardinals B squad.

I get the players and fans (of other countries) love the event but that's no consolation to Mets fans.

[spliff(TONE)]

cAnCeL tHe wBc!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/injuries

We should definitely cancel spring training as well.

While I get what you are alluding to, do you really think March is the best time for the WBC? And do you really think there's the same sort of physical risk involved in Spring Training, where players are slowly ramping up for the regular season and a WBC game, where these guys are representing their country in games that actually matter and are all nationally televised?

I really like the idea of the WBC but find the execution to be severely lacking. So many top players don't even bother participating due to insurance reasons or wanting to focus on getting ready for the regular season. The pitchers are on pitch counts and the hitters are still dialing in their timing. As far as players on my favorite team, I'd enjoy watching them in the WBC but would prefer if they didn't get involved.

I don't know if there's a slam dunk better way to go about the WBC but fitting it in via an extended All-Star break every 4 years seems like better timing in terms of seeing players really able to let it rip. Having said that, I could see the player's employers being even less in to having their guys participate if it was in July (especially if the player is potential trade bait or the team is looking at a likely playoff berth).

[metswon69]

While I get what you are alluding to, do you really think March is the best time for the WBC? And do you really think there's the same sort of physical risk involved in Spring Training, where players are slowly ramping up for the regular season and a WBC game, where these guys are representing their country in games that actually matter and are all nationally televised?

I really like the idea of the WBC but find the execution to be severely lacking. So many top players don't even bother participating due to insurance reasons or wanting to focus on getting ready for the regular season. The pitchers are on pitch counts and the hitters are still dialing in their timing. As far as players on my favorite team, I'd enjoy watching them in the WBC but would prefer if they didn't get involved.

I don't know if there's a slam dunk better way to go about the WBC but fitting it in via an extended All-Star break every 4 years seems like better timing in terms of seeing players really able to let it rip. Having said that, I could see the player's employers being even less in to having their guys participate if it was in July (especially if the player is potential trade bait or the team is looking at a likely playoff berth).

For sure. I mentioned some of these same points in the Diaz thread in the Met's forum. These guys in ST are not playing everyday and even when they are playing, its an incremental build towards being in everyday game shape. That's not the WBC. The expectation is closer to peak performance because they are representing their country.

I want no part of my favorite players being in the WBC and I get the impression as more injuries arise, more teams are going to stop their best players from going. I highly doubt owners are going to be okay with losing a star player for months or even a whole season when they're being paid 10s of millions of dollars per year and could be an integral part of how the regular season goes for said team.

[Bluefire]

I get the players and fans (of other countries) love the event but that's no consolation to Mets fans.

I get why the WBC exist but I still hate that the WBC exist. I want my favorite organization to protect their investment over allowing them to play in a meaningless tournament. You cannot stop players who are free agents from playing but players under contract (regardless of country of origin) should not be allowed to play, even if it makes the organization look like "the bad guy".

So yeah....****** the WBC.

[nyyfan555]

To be fair, if your team had Judge, Cole or some other important piece playing in the WBC and they lost an entire year due to celebrating a meaningless game, you would be mad as well. Even more so in a year where you think you can challenge for a WS title.

And to that point, Diaz presumably doesn't completely tear his patella tendon in a ST game because they're not jumping up and down in a win against the Cardinals B squad.

I get the players and fans (of other countries) love the event but that's no consolation to Mets fans.

Of course I'd be disappointed and have little hopes for the season. However, I wouldn't ever say that the WBC should be cancelled. I would question other things like "why did a player over celebrate" or "why did a player with an injury history take that risk".

And to the point of Diaz getting hurt, anything can happen in a baseball game, including spring training games. A batter could hit a ball back at the pitcher. The pitcher could make a quick turn to first trying to cover a grounder to the right side and tear something. That's my whole point. Injuries happen and the existence of the WBC is not the problem so questioning it's existence or calling for its cancellation makes no sense. I brought up the example of Kendrys Morales to highlight this exact point. Players celebrate, even in "meaningless" games in the middle of May. We as fans understand the risk they take and can be upset when a player is hurt, but cancelling a game/series/event is not the answer.

Additionally, the purpose of the event is not to console the fans of the American teams from which most players are employed. One purpose is to have competition on a global scale. Another is to increase popularity and notoriety for the sport. The fans will have to deal with that injury the same way whether the injury occurred in the WBC or day 2 of spring training or a "meaningless" game in May.

[nyyfan555]

While I get what you are alluding to, do you really think March is the best time for the WBC? And do you really think there's the same sort of physical risk involved in Spring Training, where players are slowly ramping up for the regular season and a WBC game, where these guys are representing their country in games that actually matter and are all nationally televised?

I really like the idea of the WBC but find the execution to be severely lacking. So many top players don't even bother participating due to insurance reasons or wanting to focus on getting ready for the regular season. The pitchers are on pitch counts and the hitters are still dialing in their timing. As far as players on my favorite team, I'd enjoy watching them in the WBC but would prefer if they didn't get involved.

I don't know if there's a slam dunk better way to go about the WBC but fitting it in via an extended All-Star break every 4 years seems like better timing in terms of seeing players really able to let it rip. Having said that, I could see the player's employers being even less in to having their guys participate if it was in July (especially if the player is potential trade bait or the team is looking at a likely playoff berth).

To your first point, this makes a lot of sense to me. Rather than calling for the cancellation of the event, we can discuss the timing of it. I don't have an answer but there are many ideas. Something I was thinking about is if it's held in November. Players are still sharp from the season and then they'll have the rest of the off season to rest and recharge. I don't know if that's the answer, but I can get behind making changes to the schedule.