Edwin Diaz hurt celebrating WBC win

[nyyfan555]

I get why the WBC exist but I still hate that the WBC exist. I want my favorite organization to protect their investment over allowing them to play in a meaningless tournament. You cannot stop players who are free agents from playing but players under contract (regardless of country of origin) should not be allowed to play, even if it makes the organization look like "the bad guy".

So yeah....****** the WBC.

I don't know the inner workings of player contracts, but there must be something in it about participation in something like this. Or maybe a clause that eludes to it. If billionaire owners want to protect their investment in players as if they are some sort of property like a house, then they should add specific clauses to the contract. I would imagine that would deter many players from joining teams that create those types of contracts. That would mean certain teams miss out on investing in quality players because they have restrictive contracts. So yeah....screw any billionaire owner who wants to hurt the game by controlling other human beings and preventing them from participating in a really amazing global event.

[metswon69]

Of course I'd be disappointed and have little hopes for the season. However, I wouldn't ever say that the WBC should be cancelled. I would question other things like "why did a player over celebrate" or "why did a player with an injury history take that risk".

And to the point of Diaz getting hurt, anything can happen in a baseball game, including spring training games. A batter could hit a ball back at the pitcher. The pitcher could make a quick turn to first trying to cover a grounder to the right side and tear something. That's my whole point. Injuries happen and the existence of the WBC is not the problem so questioning it's existence or calling for its cancellation makes no sense. I brought up the example of Kendrys Morales to highlight this exact point. Players celebrate, even in "meaningless" games in the middle of May. We as fans understand the risk they take and can be upset when a player is hurt, but cancelling a game/series/event is not the answer.

Additionally, the purpose of the event is not to console the fans of the American teams from which most players are employed. One purpose is to have competition on a global scale. Another is to increase popularity and notoriety for the sport. The fans will have to deal with that injury the same way whether the injury occurred in the WBC or day 2 of spring training or a "meaningless" game in May.

Well, its easy to understand our frustration, right? I dont pose that question to be a dick. Just as a reality that fans are rightfully angry because of the nature of the event, the timing of it, and where/how the injury occurred. I do think MLB needs to adjust when the event is played as well. I don't like the idea of holding it when players are incrementally ramping up for the regular season.

Sure, but I could live with the injury a lot more if it happened during a regular season game because none of those games are meaningless imo. Perfect example is the 2022 Mets. If they win one more game in May last year, they win the NL East and probably go to the NLCS as they dominated the Phillies all season. Imagine that being decided by a WBC injury?

Btw, I don't know if a RP is in that position where he is jumping up and down like that unless he's finishing a no hitter, perfect game, or a game that is clinching a playoff spot.

That's fine but you have to be cognizant of the fact that you don't want your main product to suffer because of an ancillary event that isn't connected to your regular season and playoffs. I'm sure ML teams care as well. As I said, if more guys get significantly hurt during this event, you're going to see more players be barred from playing it. Whether that's justified or not is a different story but MLB is teetering on a very thin line imo.

[nyyfan555]

Well, its easy to understand our frustration, right? I dont pose that question to be a dick. Just as a reality that fans are rightfully angry because of the nature of the event, the timing of it, and where/how the injury occurred. I do think MLB needs to adjust when the event is played as well. I don't like the idea of holding it when players are incrementally ramping up for the regular season.

Sure, but I could live with the injury a lot more if it happened during a regular season game because none of those games are meaningless imo. Perfect example is the 2022 Mets. If they win one more game in May last year, they win the NL East and probably go to the NLCS as they dominated the Phillies all season. Imagine that being decided by a WBC injury?

Btw, I don't know if a RP is in that position where he is jumping up and down like that unless he's finishing a no hitter, perfect game, or a game that is clinching a playoff spot.

That's fine but you have to be cognizant of the fact that you don't want your main product to suffer because of an ancillary event that isn't connected to your regular season and playoffs. I'm sure ML teams care as well. As I said, if more guys get significantly hurt during this event, you're going to see more players be barred from playing it. Whether that's justified or not is a different story but MLB is teetering on a very thin line imo.

I agree that holding it at this time of year is a little rough. Maybe that's the change everyone would be happy with.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that something is decided because of a WBC injury. There are way too many factors in a team sport like this to say that an injury to a single player is going to cost the team their seed in the playoffs. We could say that choking that series against the Braves near the end of the season is what did it, but we could also say that Degrom missing time did it. There's too many factors. It's frustrating when a player goes down, but that's the nature of the career they chose.

We're seeing players do more and more hype celebrations for things like strikeouts for mid May games. It's not out of the realm of possibility to think that a player will get fired up during one of those games and hurt themselves. We've seen it multiple times before. I'm all for having a discussion about how players celebrate. They can talk trash, point, pump their chest, whatever... unless it is something so over the top that it jeopardizes their health.

I also thinking you're downplaying the connection the WBC has to MLB. An even like this incorporates existing MLB fans while bringing in new ones. This event strengthens the connection between MLB and the rest of the world. I really doubt the the players union will allow outright barring, so I doubt MLB will be able to do much to restrict players. Teams might start to reword their contracts or might try to say "you are not allowed to participate" as part of some clause in a contract, but I think players will be deterred from signing with teams who create those types of clauses.

[catman]

There has been talk of holding the tournament in July and skipping the All Star game during the years. There has been talk of holding the tournament after the world series has concluded, while players are still in game shape and should be able to handle another 4 or 5 games.

[metswon69]

I agree that holding it at this time of year is a little rough. Maybe that's the change everyone would be happy with.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that something is decided because of a WBC injury. There are way too many factors in a team sport like this to say that an injury to a single player is going to cost the team their seed in the playoffs. We could say that choking that series against the Braves near the end of the season is what did it, but we could also say that Degrom missing time did it. There's too many factors. It's frustrating when a player goes down, but that's the nature of the career they chose.

We're seeing players do more and more hype celebrations for things like strikeouts for mid May games. It's not out of the realm of possibility to think that a player will get fired up during one of those games and hurt themselves. We've seen it multiple times before. I'm all for having a discussion about how players celebrate. They can talk trash, point, pump their chest, whatever... unless it is something so over the top that it jeopardizes their health.

I also thinking you're downplaying the connection the WBC has to MLB. An even like this incorporates existing MLB fans while bringing in new ones. This event strengthens the connection between MLB and the rest of the world. I really doubt the the players union will allow outright barring, so I doubt MLB will be able to do much to restrict players. Teams might start to reword their contracts or might try to say "you are not allowed to participate" as part of some clause in a contract, but I think players will be deterred from signing with teams who create those types of clauses.

They'll always be naysayers because Americans haven't shown a real investment in it. That's the issue with a regionalized sport imo. Baseball has been become so much about what team you root for that I don't know if the WBC will ever catch on here. We're not the only country that counts but you get my point.

I get that but Diaz's injury could be the difference between the Mets winning the NL East and not doing so. Dude was the best closer in the game last year. Not just because of saves either. He also had quite a number of games where he came to the mound in the 8th inning to face the best part of a team's lineup. He's a huge loss for us.

I don't know what to say about the celebrating to be honest. I get there is emotion in the game and players are more about showmanship now than they've ever been. Not going to fault them for living in the moment but man this feels like something that could have been avoided.

That's my hang up as well. Does the WBC bring in new fans and if so how many? I could be wrong but this feels a lot like the World Cup and MLS here in the states. Where Americans pretend to be soccer fans for the WC then don't give 2 ***** about it for another 4 years. Neither does it translate to the MLS getting more popular. To me, its very much about national pride then when its over, people go back to caring about sports that are not MLB. I dont know what kind of recourse the owners have in terms of not allowing players to go but first and foremost they are employees of the team they work for, not the countries they represent in the WBC.

[kyubi256]

It is unfortunate but the WBC is a big deal to some of these guys so you gotta live with the good and the bad. This coming from a Mets fan. Don't blame anyone, just unfortunate circumstances

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[Midnightbottle]

I don't know how you can't like this. Just the last two nights have been amazing baseball. I was nervous watching this game and I don't have a horse in the race.

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