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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Valde. Were you a Sonics fan too? I was thinking about guys who came along too soon and thought about Vladimir Radmanović. That dude was 6'10 and lights out. The Sonics had Ray Allen, ValRad, and Rashad Lewis. They needed someone to tell them to shoot.
    The D12 Magic team was way ahead of its time I think.

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    56 for Julius Randle last night. He earned it. Dude was on fire. looking at the box score Grimes, Robinson, Toppin, and Hartenstein combined for 6 shot attempts (80 mins of play). Randle took 29 and I think hes done a pretty good not over doing it but think the overall box score points to how teams are just letting a guys cook.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    The D12 Magic team was way ahead of its time I think.
    Was a huge fan of the double wing front court with a monster in the middle


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    The D12 Magic team was way ahead of its time I think.
    Howard was not a shooter. It had a few dump the ball in the post kick to shooters in that era. Even Shaq Kobe Lakers did that. I think Magic did not win a ring because of free throw shooting. So i dont think they were ahead of time.

    Mike D on the other hand Wanted Howard to focus more on rebounds, defense, lobs, broken plays shoot more 3s and a faster pace. Howard did not like that and wanted post touches.

    https://www.thedreamshake.com/2016/7...er-his-touches This is even past his time in LA after being traded from Orlando.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    It also spaces the court more and makes it easier to drive.

    On the whole topic, scoring is up because pace is faster (look at fast break points), 3-pt shot attempts are way up, foul shots are up (meaning more called), and rules has neutered defense.


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    Do you have the number of missed shots and rebounds as well to compare? Would be nice to also see number of players touching the ball and how many times it exchanges hands before a shot attempt numbers as well to compare.
    It's one thing to call this "pace" and another to call it what it is. Inefficient, poor basketball and not as team oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
    Do you have the number of missed shots and rebounds as well to compare? Would be nice to also see number of players touching the ball and how many times it exchanges hands before a shot attempt numbers as well to compare.
    It's one thing to call this "pace" and another to call it what it is. Inefficient, poor basketball and not as team oriented.
    Ironic because statistically, they are the most efficient offenses of all-time

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Ironic because statistically, they are the most efficient offenses of all-time
    Your numbers aren't distinguishing the difference between efficiency and effectiveness properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
    Your numbers aren't distinguishing the difference between efficiency and effectiveness properly.
    I don't agree with your overall premise, but I accept this theory.

    You can have a less "efficient" (TS%, ORtg) offense that's more effective than another. The physicality wears down the opponent's defense, manages the game clock more effectively, sets you up for more offensive rebounds purposely, and helps the transition defense based on the types of shots you take (IE: more free throws over more 3s).

    It's a cool theory, but evidence of it used in practice is another thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
    Your numbers aren't distinguishing the difference between efficiency and effectiveness properly.
    Maybe, but you said inefficient. The one thing you cannot call modern offenses is inefficient. I agree some of the offenses are not effective in terms of being able to replicate that efficiency against different opponents.

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    Scoring is inflated primarily because of 3 pt shooting and pace of play combined.


    Floor is spaced out like crazy, makes it a lot harder to stay with a man, it's not recommended to fight for offensive rebounds since the team needs to get back for D.

    Works for o too. It's better to run back on O to try to catch the D off-balance.

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    Defense has been picking up for the stretch run as teams are jockeying for position and game planning more. There are still some high scoring games but the amount of teams scoring below 110 and 100 is more prevalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    Inflated isn't the right word, uber talented might be better. It's the logical culmination of a confluence of events. Teams know what efficient basketball is and what kind of players to target. It's always been a copy cat league but technology made it easier to assess. All that said, we need to empower defenses more to offset this one sided dominance. The rules have been too easy for too long, let's mix it up like we did to begin this offensive rebirth
    The game has become much more difficult through the lens of a defender in todays league. I often wonder how good would the elite defenders of todays game be in the 80s when they were allowed to actually be physical and less rules protecting the offensive players.

    I think more scoring is more entertaining and that is likely why the league wanted to go this way.

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    Denver 2nd and 3rd stringers were getting easy looks. Blazers 2nd and 3rd stringers beat the Wolves.

    Seems like no matter who you are you can get quality looks with how the game is played and officiated.

    Phoenix clamped up a little bit in the last few mins to hold off Denver but the first 44 mins, Denver wasnt having trouble keeping up and was even leading by 7 early in the 4th.

    Whether your a 1st option or a 5th option the clean looks one gets aint too far off in the modern game (regular season).

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