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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Giving Hicks $70M was fine for what he had shown to be at that time. Giving him $10M/year was honestly a steal in a vacuum. The problem was that they were trying to be cute with the luxury tax so they gave him a stupidly long 7 year deal for a non elite player. They thought they were sooooo smart keeping the tax number down with that quirky little structure but now heís had injury problems and developed a bad, entitled attitude so now weíve got another 3 years of going into each year with a $10M money drain on the payroll.
    The length was weird for sure, guy already had an injury history.

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    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    In the end of the day, hopefully he at least has a solid season with the glove, and a bit better year at the plate. If that happens, and we get some decent fill in starts from Cabrera there too, wonít hurt us

    At least thatís what Iím telling myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Giving Hicks $70M was fine for what he had shown to be at that time. Giving him $10M/year was honestly a steal in a vacuum. The problem was that they were trying to be cute with the luxury tax so they gave him a stupidly long 7 year deal for a non elite player. They thought they were sooooo smart keeping the tax number down with that quirky little structure but now heís had injury problems and developed a bad, entitled attitude so now weíve got another 3 years of going into each year with a $10M money drain on the payroll.
    Don't forget that they passed on Harper because they knew they already had a winner in Hicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    Don't forget that they passed on Harper because they knew they already had a winner in Hicks.
    Hicks didn't have anything to do with passing on Harper, that was Stanton
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Hicks didn't have anything to do with passing on Harper, that was Stanton
    Harper could have played center. That's something they didn't bother to even consider because they already had Hicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    Harper could have played center. That's something they didn't bother to even consider because they already had Hicks.
    It's worse. Harper said he would play 1B and they still ignored him



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    It's worse. Harper said he would play 1B and they still ignored him
    Yup. Can't blame not getting Harper on Stanton.

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    Certainly can't blame it on Hicks.

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    The kind of extension Bader is most likely looking for is not the kind of contract I'd give him.

    I'd offer him 2 years $30 million. He most likely wouldn't take that but I wouldn't risk anything more on a guy who is as injury prone as Bader without a great track record with the bat.

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    Re: the Hicks discussion. I was not a fan of the deal at the time. I never understood the Yankees love for Hicks. Okay, he was a top 5 statistical CF the year they signed him to an extension. But he was still a low average, high strikeout player who was an average defensive center fielder. I know the league values players like that as long as they show power. I do not. Personally I think these players do not tend to age well. If the average starts at .245 in their best season at the age of 28, usually it only gets worse from there. His decline, in my opinion, was very predictable and I said this at the time. There is a lot more to a decision to sign a player to an extension than statistics (especially when it's only one full season of statistics you're basing the decision on). In Hicks' case, even the stats showed a guy who, IMHO, was destined to decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    Re: the Hicks discussion. I was not a fan of the deal at the time. I never understood the Yankees love for Hicks. Okay, he was a top 5 statistical CF the year they signed him to an extension. But he was still a low average, high strikeout player who was an average defensive center fielder. I know the league values players like that as long as they show power. I do not. Personally I think these players do not tend to age well. If the average starts at .245 in their best season at the age of 28, usually it only gets worse from there. His decline, in my opinion, was very predictable and I said this at the time. There is a lot more to a decision to sign a player to an extension than statistics (especially when it's only one full season of statistics you're basing the decision on). In Hicks' case, even the stats showed a guy who, IMHO, was destined to decline.
    It wasn't Hicks average. He was a .350 OBP guy, maybe higher. He hit HRs and had a great eye.

    As for Bader, I hear when he's injured, he's worth a low ERA starting pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    Re: the Hicks discussion. I was not a fan of the deal at the time. I never understood the Yankees love for Hicks. Okay, he was a top 5 statistical CF the year they signed him to an extension. But he was still a low average, high strikeout player who was an average defensive center fielder. I know the league values players like that as long as they show power. I do not. Personally I think these players do not tend to age well. If the average starts at .245 in their best season at the age of 28, usually it only gets worse from there. His decline, in my opinion, was very predictable and I said this at the time. There is a lot more to a decision to sign a player to an extension than statistics (especially when it's only one full season of statistics you're basing the decision on). In Hicks' case, even the stats showed a guy who, IMHO, was destined to decline.
    I was really irritated at the signing. Like you and other, I understood the, anal value of him.
    I also didn't think he'd age well.

    Phoba, it must be said. Hicks is the perfect example of a guy who was signed because of his anals but who is now, an anal hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Certainly can't blame it on Hicks.
    Why not? **** hicks. lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi View Post
    It wasn't Hicks average. He was a .350 OBP guy, maybe higher. He hit HRs and had a great eye.

    As for Bader, I hear when he's injured, he's worth a low ERA starting pitcher.
    I know what they liked about him. I'm just saying you can take walks all day but if you can't hit for average eventually pitchers are going to come after you and not fear you. Once that happens your career is basically over unless you can hit. When a guy has a .245 average in his best season as a professional and is already 28 years old, the OBP doesn't matter. The player is destined to fail soon. It was very predictable. I called it at the time and I was correct. Gallo is another great example. There are tons now. All I can say is I hope the Yankees have learned their lesson... and they seem to based on their actions recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    The kind of extension Bader is most likely looking for is not the kind of contract I'd give him.

    I'd offer him 2 years $30 million. He most likely wouldn't take that but I wouldn't risk anything more on a guy who is as injury prone as Bader without a great track record with the bat.
    100% agree
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