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Has Fingerbang been here to tell everyone about the time he saw a teacher having a drink at a bar when schools were remote for COVID?

Good memory.

[natepro]

I reviewed it again. The first chart is dollars per student. The US spends 14,400 per student. The student isn't directly the beneficiary of those dollars which is why I say it's a dollar usage issue. The second link says we have the best education system. If one wants to say that either of these are wrong and show evidence why, that would be fine.

The second link doesn't say we have the best primary education system. The ranking that shows the US being first is from the US News & World Report Best Countries for Education survey. Per that page:

"The 2022 Best Countries for Education rankings are drawn from a global survey of more than 17,000 people and highlight countries based on respondents’ perceptions of them in relation to whether they have a well-developed public education system, whether people would consider attending university there and if that country has top-quality universities. The same global survey, encompassing dozens of additional country attributes, is used to compile the overall 2022 Best Countries rankings from U.S. News."

You can go deeper into the data as well and find that under Quality of Life our score for "Well-developed public education system" is a 66.4.

The UK's score for the same is 85.6.
German's score for the same is 93.0.
Canada's score for the same is 92.9.
France's score for the same is 74.8.
Switzerland's score for the same is 81.7.
Japan's score for the same is 80.1.
Sweden's score for the same is 100.
Australia's score for the same is 65.3.
The Netherland's score for the same is 83.8.


Which means that the one thing that is supposed to show that we have "the best education system" actually shows us as 9th among the top 10, and really not even close to being higher than 8th. That's not even close to "the best," and is clearly being propped up by our universities.

[Zmaster52]

The second link doesn't say we have the best primary education system. The ranking that shows the US being first is from the US News & World Report Best Countries for Education survey. Per that page:

"The 2022 Best Countries for Education rankings are drawn from a global survey of more than 17,000 people and highlight countries based on respondents’ perceptions of them in relation to whether they have a well-developed public education system, whether people would consider attending university there and if that country has top-quality universities. The same global survey, encompassing dozens of additional country attributes, is used to compile the overall 2022 Best Countries rankings from U.S. News."

You can go deeper into the data as well and find that under Quality of Life our score for "Well-developed public education system" is a 66.4.

The UK's score for the same is 85.6.
German's score for the same is 93.0.
Canada's score for the same is 92.9.
France's score for the same is 74.8.
Switzerland's score for the same is 81.7.
Japan's score for the same is 80.1.
Sweden's score for the same is 100.
Australia's score for the same is 65.3.
The Netherland's score for the same is 83.8.


Which means that the one thing that is supposed to show that we have "the best education system" actually shows us as 9th among the top 10, and really not even close to being higher than 8th. That's not even close to "the best," and is clearly being propped up by our universities.

The problem with this country will always be states vs federal rights. Nothing will ever get done and there is no accurate picture to describe the totality of the country due to some states doing better than others.

The United States is more akin to 50 separate countries than it is one big one. States such as Mississippi and Alabama are going to make the country seem uneducated whereas states like Massachusetts and Colorado are going to make the country seem smarter.

The US is sitting at a 66.4 but I wonder how the data was gathered. What states they looked at, the difference between red and blue states, all that kind of stuff.


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[brett05]

Thank you for this. I was going to post something similar. Charter schools are a plague and should never have been allowed to exist. Founders of charter schools often call themselves "principal" and pay themselves large sums. Once they expand, like the KIPP network, they have enormous amounts of administrators that make well more than public school principals.

I worked in a charter school before. I've also worked with colleagues who come from charter networks. They are run like profitable businesses. And they are terrible for kids because they've become test prep factories. Many of them tout how "well" they pay their staff, but they typically have incredibly difficult hours, longer school years, and that's all on top of the unspoken rule of working beyond the hours you're in the building.

brett, that was a terrible example and only further proves that the republican push for charter schools is a terrible thing.

Not the point but the left is usually going to miss things because of their anger

[natepro]

Not the point but the left is usually going to miss things because of their anger

Says the guy with the published ignore list.

[Zmaster52]

Says the guy with the published ignore list.

I’m on there!

Mama I made it.


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[dbroncos78087]

I have signatures turned off so I didn't honestly know he had it in there until today. Congrats! I guess I haven't triggered him enough yet. Perhaps you could guide me in the ways.

[Zmaster52]

I have signatures turned off so I didn't honestly know he had it in there until today. Congrats! I guess I haven't triggered him enough yet. Perhaps you could guide me in the ways.

I use Tapatalk and there’s no signatures on here. To be honest, I don’t even know what mine is. I just know I happen to be on his ignore list.

I’ve been causing a ruckus on this forum for 15 years and have always been known as a young brainwashed libtard hippie that epitomizes everything wrong with the generation…you can probably start there.


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[natepro]

I’m on there!

Mama I made it.


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I'm so proud of you.