Teacher Salaries

[catman]

I think we can all agree that teachers are underpaid in this country. Without qualified teachers, no other professions are possible.
Here is a story regarding teacher salaries in comparison to other salaries by state.
https://usafacts.org/articles/teache...ry_Desktop_LaL

[dbroncsinmo]

I think we can all agree that teachers are underpaid in this country. Without qualified teachers, no other professions are possible.
Here is a story regarding teacher salaries in comparison to other salaries by state.
https://usafacts.org/articles/teache...ry_Desktop_LaL

Says the ancient asshat that has no connection to the current enthusiasm and actual working requirements of teachers.

Public school teachers sign contracts for 180 days and probably teach less than 80% of those days. And the teaching that they do is minimal at best.

Now there are outliers, but they are far and few between.

The link you provided even starts off with "teachers are paid less compared to other full time jobs". Teachers don't have full time jobs. They have part time jobs and a percentage of those contractual hours aren't spent teaching.

I think the real conversation needs to be about how to make teachers full time staff and they should absolutely be bonused on student outcomes.

[natepro]

In an Education Week survey, 70% of Democrats who were given information about teacher's salary in their state said they should get a raise.

When given that same information, 46% of Republicans supported teachers getting a raise.

Democrats in Arkansas, for example, wanted to use the state surplus to increase teacher salary in the state, and raise the minimum starting wage for teachers in the state (which is currently thirty-six thousand goddamned dollars), but Republicans voted to end the legislative session without giving any teacher raises consideration. The budget surplus, instead, will go to tax cuts for the highest earners in Arkansas.


The idea that "we can all agree that teachers are underpaid" is obviously untrue when you can't even get half of Republicans to agree to that despite seeing the data. But this is what happens when you demonize a profession. You're never going to improve the situation for teachers until that stops, but I'm pessimistic on that to say the least.

[dbroncos78087]

Any time someone says “we can all agree” your ears should immediately perk up because they’re 100% ready to tell you something that there is absolutely no agreement on. It’s true every single time.

[natepro]

Says the ancient asshat that has no connection to the current enthusiasm and actual working requirements of teachers.

Public school teachers sign contracts for 180 days and probably teach less than 80% of those days. And the teaching that they do is minimal at best.

Now there are outliers, but they are far and few between.

The link you provided even starts off with "teachers are paid less compared to other full time jobs". Teachers don't have full time jobs. They have part time jobs and a percentage of those contractual hours aren't spent teaching.

I think the real conversation needs to be about how to make teachers full time staff and they should absolutely be bonused on student outcomes.

These are.. weird criticisms.

There's more involved in teaching than just actively teaching. It's not improv, you can't just run up there, get a suggestion from the audience and start doing it and hope everything will turn out okay.

Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics, teachers are more likely than other full time workers to work on a Sunday, to do some work at home or in more than one location, and more likely to have more than one job. Because of that, the average teacher works 54 hours per week, and one in four work more than 60 hours a week.

Maybe we should make them all hourly employees, and see how much we're paying them for 10-20 hours of overtime each week?

And this is ignoring the level of education required, as well.

As for "bonuses based on student outcomes," that's how you end up with people teaching to the test. I thought we learned that lesson with No Child Left Behind, but perhaps not. Long story short: it doesn't work.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

Pay teachers more and hold teachers accountable better because there are a lot of ****** ones.

[dbroncsinmo]

Pay teachers more and hold teachers accountable better because there are a lot of ****** ones.

Yes there are. Likely a 50/50 at best scenario.

[valade16]

Why do people assume the only time teachers are working is when they’re in the classroom? Who do you think grades all that homework and when do they do it do you think?

[valade16]

Pay teachers more and hold teachers accountable better because there are a lot of ****** ones.

What’s ironic is most will say this about teachers in general but when asked about their teachers growing up most will say most were good to great.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

What’s ironic is most will say this about teachers in general but when asked about their teachers growing up most will say most were good to great.

I wouldn't say it's a 50-50 split but even a 70-30 split is too many. I do think we would need to work on defining what a good/bad teacher is as well since I'm sure plenty of students may like teachers but it doesn't make them a good teacher.

[valade16]

I wouldn't say it's a 50-50 split but even a 70-30 split is too many. I do think we would need to work on defining what a good/bad teacher is as well since I'm sure plenty of students may like teachers but it doesn't make them a good teacher.

We can’t define good or bad teachers without including the effect of low pay and overwork has on teacher’s performance.

[Brewersfan255]

Why do people assume the only time teachers are working is when they’re in the classroom? Who do you think grades all that homework and when do they do it do you think?

When I was in high school I had several teachers who had other students grade the homework..


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[Hawkeye15]

Says the ancient asshat that has no connection to the current enthusiasm and actual working requirements of teachers.

Public school teachers sign contracts for 180 days and probably teach less than 80% of those days. And the teaching that they do is minimal at best.

Now there are outliers, but they are far and few between.

The link you provided even starts off with "teachers are paid less compared to other full time jobs". Teachers don't have full time jobs. They have part time jobs and a percentage of those contractual hours aren't spent teaching.

I think the real conversation needs to be about how to make teachers full time staff and they should absolutely be bonused on student outcomes.

I agree with the first half of this sentence, but completely disagree with the second half. We do need to make them a stable, full time position with expectations that will help both the school, and the teacher. However, basing bonuses on results leads to behavior like a business, and I don't think handling children is like handling employees (no child left behind turned out negative as hell).

[Hawkeye15]

Overall, I think the pay for teachers should rise 15-20%. It should be tiered out for tenure, with starting pay around $60k/year, jumping 4% yearly, capping out at $105k. Any money a teacher pays out of pocket for supplies, should be tax deductible. Bonuses should be built off the schools ability to meet certain criteria around educational goals, facility goals, inclusion goals, as well as for additional certifications a teacher acquires, reported classroom structural results, and school performance (set on their own baselines).

Obviously arbitrary numbers, but a reasonable range over time.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

We can’t define good or bad teachers without including the effect of low pay and overwork has on teacher’s performance.

I'd definitely factor that in. There's gonna be an adjustment period where we pay teachers more and then we can monitor if their work improves enough and those that don't then we can consider methods to bring in new teachers to replace the bad ones since the market is oversaturated.