Teacher Salaries

[valade16]

Wow.

Yep, those Dems always pushing their religion!

[Hawkeye15]

who exactly is controlling what we teach again? https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-b...210142306.html

Hint: it sure as hell isn't the Democrats

[ewing]

I'm not arguing against unions at all. I'm fine with unions and know they are needed in plenty of situations. Though of course like everything it has it's downside.

I was moreso talking about bad workers taking advantage of what unions have to offer. One of my biggest problems with unions though here are plenty of bad workers being gatekeepers in unionized role that prevent great employees from moving up and I completely disagree with that. At least how it is in Canada so not sure if that exist in the US.

We have losers that are jealous whenever other than them gains advancement and we have tools that like to judge professions they know nothing about from afar. Is that what you are referring to?

[nyyfan555]

who exactly is controlling what we teach again? https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-b...210142306.html

Hint: it sure as hell isn't the Democrats

Not so ironically, Florida is 2nd to last in teacher salary when adjusted for cost of living.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-...ost-and-least/

[ewing]

I don't particularly see it as a worker Vs employer type of situation anyway. I can appreciate a union (I wouldn't advocate for removing unions that already exist) while also wanting them to improve to hold bad workers accountable.

As you mentioned, bad workers are everywhere so if we can improve the system so we can get better workers, that's what I want. In the case of teachers, once we define those metrics and find ways to attract more talent (as discussed earlier), then we can find ways to reward and recognize the teachers that should be recognized.l and hold the poor ones accountable

Why would a union seek to hold workers accountable? Do you get upset when rehabs don't try and get drug users arrested

[ewing]

who exactly is controlling what we teach again? https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-b...210142306.html

Hint: it sure as hell isn't the Democrats

This stuff is so weird. History teachers should decide what is taught in history class. I have no idea how things this self-evident get turned upside down

[Hawkeye15]

Not so ironically, Florida is 2nd to last in teacher salary when adjusted for cost of living.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-...ost-and-least/

additionally, Florida suffers from the worst teacher shortage

https://phys.org/news/2022-08-teache...and%20Oklahoma.

DeSantadouche keeps playing the culture war, so Florida's education system will keep ticking downward

[nyyfan555]

additionally, Florida suffers from the worst teacher shortage

https://phys.org/news/2022-08-teache...and%20Oklahoma.

DeSantadouche keeps playing the culture war, so Florida's education system will keep ticking downward

Something from the article you posted also stuck out to me. Republican states have horrible records with reporting statistics. Do they just not know how to report statistics or do they intentionally under-report because they know the data is against them?

[dbroncos78087]

additionally, Florida suffers from the worst teacher shortage

https://phys.org/news/2022-08-teache...and%20Oklahoma.

DeSantadouche keeps playing the culture war, so Florida's education system will keep ticking downward

But I thought they loved education...how could that be true and they be so terrible at managing the teachers?

[Hawkeye15]

But I thought they loved education...how could that be true and they be so terrible at managing the teachers?

as it turns out, not paying them well, then continuing to change what they are allowed to teach, or even say about themselves in general, can be CONFUSING! Add these up, and it's not an appealing job, despite having 2 huge universities that have excellent education programs inside the state.

[metswon69]

as it turns out, not paying them well, then continuing to change what they are allowed to teach, or even say about themselves in general, can be CONFUSING! Add these up, and it's not an appealing job, despite having 2 huge universities that have excellent education programs inside the state.

You mean introducing legislation that made parents far too involved in curriculum, potentially punishing teachers for talking about their private lives in class and rejecting African American studies in school would stop teachers from wanting to be employed there? This can't be. Its almost like the party of less government is completely full of **** when it comes to education, reproductive rights, etc.

Like I said before DeSantis is dangerous because he's far more embattled in the culture war than many of his counterparts and isn't the complete moron Trump is.

[metswon69]

Wants teachers to engage in "patriot" training.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/20/polit...ban/index.html

Nate, your state sucks.

[dbroncos78087]

Wants teachers to engage in "patriot" training.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/20/polit...ban/index.html

Nate, your state sucks.

Yep. The problem isn't that states are banning critical race theory (something that isn't being taught in the schools). The problem is the way they have to write the law is so vague as to ban anything that even mentions race. Race, for better OR WORSE) has had a strong impact on many people in this country and to pretend it didn't just doesn't teach our history. People are being taught a false history and then we expect things to get better...you know what they say about folks who don't learn their history...

[MRSpock]

I have a question for Republicans. If you care so much about things like gay teachers, child grooming, and drag shows.

Why is their no outrage for child beauty pageants?

Youre vehemently opposed to a teacher mentioning theyre married to someone of the same sex? But youre ok with the blatant sexualuzation of children?

I just dont buy that people care about 95% of this stuff.

[nyyfan555]

Wants teachers to engage in "patriot" training.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/20/polit...ban/index.html

Nate, your state sucks.

I will tell you from direct experience that the last thing teachers want is more useless "professional development" meetings. In this case, it would be a hyper political, nationalist, almost nazi-like training in whatever the old white dudes deem to be "patriotism".

And this CRT thing just reveals how absolutely ignorant and stupid the republican party is. There is no critical race theory course in K-12 schools. They are latching on to the name of a college course because it allows them to say that American history should be whitewashed, including the removal of lessons having to do with slavery, the civil rights movement, racism, the KKK, and modern day inequalities.

And then there was this quote:

Spokesmen for the state’s largest teachers’ unions condemned the proposed legislation.

“If you were to look at curriculum for Missouri schools, you would not see any mention of critical race theory,” Todd Fuller, a spokesperson for the Missouri State Teachers Association, told CNN. “CRT debate takes away from the real issue Missouri is facing: how do we keep and retain quality teachers? If we don’t have teachers to teach, curriculum will be the least of our problems.”

Missouri needs to focus their efforts on keeping quality teachers in the classroom, which includes restructuring their salary scale. But having untrained, unqualified, and ignorant republican politicians interfering with their day to day work is also a major deterrent to remaining in the profession.