Teacher Salaries

[nyyfan555]

It's a given to me that all teachers work outside hours.

I'm not sure why it's such an unspoken topic. Teachers seem to be afraid to speak up for themselves when it comes to all the hours they work outside of the school building.

I guess part of it is that all the work they do is "for the kids" which is a line that gets used to guilt them into doing extra. They need to realize they are workers. They are employees. And as such, they should be appropriately compensated for the work they do.

[nyyfan555]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/us/te...sin/index.html

[natepro]

Your jokes are corny bro. Youre trying too hard to hurt feelings, because your consumed by your own.

You and Nate both with your little feminine sarcastic jabs are so passive aggressive its nauseating. When you don't have an argument thats all you do.

Grow a pair of balls, and stop mimicking your favorite characters from "Clueless" you degenerate hacks.

Does anyone know what he's talking about? I haven't seen Clueless, so I can't say I have a favorite character from it, much less one I'm trying to act like. Do they talk a lot about teacher pay in Clueless?

[valade16]

I'd have this as #2 behind my #1 which is equitable dollars for student education in a given state.

A big reason for the uneven funding is we base how much schools here on property taxes, so the wealthier areas get more funding and the poorer areas less. This is an area I agree with you on.

[Hawkeye15]

Teachers deserve to be paid more but there needs to be a way to hold the ****** ones accountable. Unions protect the old ****** ones who could be replaced younger better teachers that relate to the students better

Cops deserve to be paid more but there needs to be a way to hold the racist, ****** ones more accountable.

Can we all agree on this?


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have you even paid attention to what has been happening the last 10 years? There are no younger teachers to replace the older, retiring ones. That is the issue...now add to it the pay, the confusion around so many rules about what you can/can't teach in many states, the culture war many face, etc, and the shortage gets worse.

Again, to you posters crying about accountability, etc, what is your fix? First and foremost, how do you close the gap on the shortage? Because if you can't even fill your basic open positions, how on earth can you then hold teachers accountable and fire them with nothing to replace them?

The fix.........is to figure out a way to bring MORE teachers into the profession first, then figure out how to "hold them accountable". Whatever the **** that means btw...

[Hawkeye15]

I'd have this as #2 behind my #1 which is equitable dollars for student education in a given state.

you posted something of this nature pages ago, and I agree with this entirely. At this time, wealthier districts are receiving more allocation of funding. This needs to stop.

[natepro]

As far as "feminine sarcastic jabs," whatever that means, this is how our interactions here started.

Then there are a plethora of lazy teachers who are jaded as hell, and are just garbage at their job and get away with doing the bare minimum.

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But she is a ****ing anomaly. Not the norm. For everyone of her, theres 1000 lazy *** teachers doing the absolute bare minimum.

You're just wildly making up numbers here based on essentially nothing but your feelings.

Yes. Just like the hours teachers work.

And i think it's pretty obvious im not claiming thats hard data...

Zing!

It's not that you're not claiming it's hard data; it's that it's made up out of whole cloth. You're essentially arguing that 99% of teachers are terrible based on nothing. You may as well argue that your psychic friend told you.

Rather than actually address the point I was making - that you're just assuming the bad teachers outweigh the good based on nothing, a thing I specifically and directly clarified more than once - you never replied to it except to complain with no hint of irony that other people were "hyper focusing" on it.

In a ratio of great vs bad teachers. Maybe for every 1000 bad teachers there are 100000 that range from above to blow average. You should learn how ratios work.

This is what happens though. Hyper focus on a fake stat i just clearly made up.

I swear lefties treat teachers like righties treat cops.

Teachers are these great human beings who want to make society better and people more educated!

While on the right cops are all outstanding citizens who put their life on the line to protect the innocent.

Jesus, grow up.

Again, since this apparently has to be spelled out to you more than once: The issue was not the exact numbers you used. The issue was the fact that you made it up entirely. You have zero idea the ratio of good to bad teachers, but you had zero hesitation in saying the bad massively outweighed the good. Your hyperbole isn't the problem, your point is. How many more times do you think I'll have to say that before you get it?

Speaking of growing up, fun straw men you made there.

And you have, thus far, never acknowledged it again. You say I "can't discuss anything" and "cherry pick posts instead of actually discussing topics" and "alienate anyone from any discourse," but you're the one that has repeatedly flown off the handle here. I show you the national teacher's union not opposing block schedules, and you reply with "You need to use your brain a bit." You don't actually show any union's opposition to it, you just declare me an idiot for showing you they don't. And this is supposed to be you "actually discussing topics"? Get the **** out of here.

You started the (very masculine, don't worry) "sarcastic jabs" with me...

Derrrrrpppppp!!!!

Its amazing how you guys dont see the contradiction you make in the same thread.

This is what happens though. Hyper focus on a fake stat i just clearly made up.

I swear lefties treat teachers like righties treat cops.

Teachers are these great human beings who want to make society better and people more educated!

While on the right cops are all outstanding citizens who put their life on the line to protect the innocent.

Jesus, grow up.

...and then you want to act like you're just trying to have an honest discussion here and the mean girls are all attacking you and making discussion impossible. Any reasonable reading of the last dozen pages or so shows that it's very clearly the other way around.

The call is coming from inside the house.

[Zmaster52]

Does anyone know what he's talking about? I haven't seen Clueless, so I can't say I have a favorite character from it, much less one I'm trying to act like. Do they talk a lot about teacher pay in Clueless?

Dude is such an obnoxious neoliberal.

Yet another thing I got right years ago.


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[brett05]

I'm not sure why it's such an unspoken topic. Teachers seem to be afraid to speak up for themselves when it comes to all the hours they work outside of the school building.

I guess part of it is that all the work they do is "for the kids" which is a line that gets used to guilt them into doing extra. They need to realize they are workers. They are employees. And as such, they should be appropriately compensated for the work they do.

Are there underpaid teachers? No doubt. Are there over paid teachers? Yes. Are there over paid staff (aka non-teachers)? 100%. My kids would come home with fund raising to get a smart board for the classroom. I would not participate. Poor use of tax dollars shouldn't mean more money coming from residents. If they cut the principal salary by 10% 5-10 classrooms each year could get new smartboards and the principal would still be making $200K

[Zmaster52]

Are there underpaid teachers? No doubt. Are there over paid teachers? Yes. Are there over paid staff (aka non-teachers)? 100%. My kids would come home for fund raising to get a smart board for the classroom. I would not participate. Poor use of tax dollars shouldn't mean more money coming from residents. If they cut the principal salary by 10% 5-10 classrooms each year could get new smartboards and the principal would still be making $200K

Or hear me out, schools can get adequate funding to get the tech that they need?

Take the money we give to the military and police [emoji2375]


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[nyyfan555]

Are there underpaid teachers? No doubt. Are there over paid teachers? Yes. Are there over paid staff (aka non-teachers)? 100%. My kids would come home for fund raising to get a smart board for the classroom. I would not participate. Poor use of tax dollars shouldn't mean more money coming from residents. If they cut the principal salary by 10% 5-10 classrooms each year could get new smartboards and the principal would still be making $200K

There are no overpaid public school teachers. There can definitely be some overpaid administrators, but the topic at hand is teacher salary.

"Poor use of tax dollars shouldn't mean more money coming from residents." --> this concept should also be used when it comes to private businesses. For example, we shouldn't have to pay for a restaurant worker's salary by tipping because the owner doesn't know how to properly manage their revenues or generate significant profit. I actually agree with you about this point. I just think it should apply to all aspects of finances.

However, I would rather allocate more tax dollars to education before cutting salaries from anyone. Right now we have politicians spending millions on frivolous political stunts (ie. abbott sending migrants in buses). That money could have been used to help schools and teachers.

[nyyfan555]

Or hear me out, schools can get adequate funding to get the tech that they need?

Take the money we give to the military and police [emoji2375]


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If we cut the military budget in half we would still be #1 in military spending and we could address education, healthcare, and homelessness.

[valade16]

Are there underpaid teachers? No doubt. Are there over paid teachers? Yes. Are there over paid staff (aka non-teachers)? 100%. My kids would come home for fund raising to get a smart board for the classroom. I would not participate. Poor use of tax dollars shouldn't mean more money coming from residents. If they cut the principal salary by 10% 5-10 classrooms each year could get new smartboards and the principal would still be making $200K

You’ve hit on another systemic problem, the surge in administrators.

[dbroncsinmo]

No surprise that these words were typed up by the same guy that goes bonkers on grocery clerks because the store they work at is out of asparagus.

Material. Rinse wash repeat.

[spliff(TONE)]

Material. Rinse wash repeat.

Figured out that whole Capone thing yet, chief? Here's a free tip in the meantime (unrelated to Capone): it's "wash, rinse, repeat", not "rinse wash repeat".