Is Hal doing enough?

[drt1010]

Is Yankees Hal Steinbrenner doing enough? | Beat writers roundtable
Updated: Dec. 29, 2022, 6:32 p.m.|Published: Dec. 29, 2022, 7:01 a.m.

Is the Steinbrenner family doing what it should as owners of the most storied franchise in American sports?

Is winning as important to this generation of Steinbrenners as it was to their father?

Do they want to win as much as the Steve Cohen-owned Mets, who now are baseball’s biggest spenders?

All questions we have discussed and speculated upon here at PSD. What say you PSD faithful? Agree, disagree?

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2022/12/i...oundtable.html

[dayners81]

Hal has basically done all the heavy lifting this winter. He was the reason Judge got signed and did the majority of the negotiations with Rodon, per my understanding.

Hal is also pushing for Volpe and Peraza to be our future MINF, which is great IMO.

Hal also approved the payroll going to 293M and is willing to go over that for the right guy.

Is Hal running the Yanks like his Dad or Cohen is running the Mets, but he's still spending a lot of money.

Hal can't do it all and it's Cashmans job to finish up the roster, Cashman is the one that needs to do more. My question is what has Cash done? he brought back Rizzo and Kahnle who both only wanted to play for us.

I can't blame Cashman for balking at the price of Reynolds or anyone of the better trade options in LF. We could live with Cabrera and Flo but we shouldn't have to. Cabrera is most valuable moving around and Flo should be the 4th OFer, neither SHOULD be starters for us.

Cashman also needs to fix/upgrade the bench and hopefully get this roster more LHed.

IMO Hal is certainly acting more like his Dad this off season far more than any other season in the past. It's the guy he brought back to be our lifetime GM that hasn't done enough, IMO

[johnny ny]

Hal has basically done all the heavy lifting this winter. He was the reason Judge got signed and did the majority of the negotiations with Rodon, per my understanding.

Hal is also pushing for Volpe and Peraza to be our future MINF, which is great IMO.

Hal also approved the payroll going to 293M and is willing to go over that for the right guy.

Is Hal running the Yanks like his Dad or Cohen is running the Mets, but he's still spending a lot of money.

Hal can't do it all and it's Cashmans job to finish up the roster, Cashman is the one that needs to do more. My question is what has Cash done? he brought back Rizzo and Kahnle who both only wanted to play for us.

I can't blame Cashman for balking at the price of Reynolds or anyone of the better trade options in LF. We could live with Cabrera and Flo but we shouldn't have to. Cabrera is most valuable moving around and Flo should be the 4th OFer, neither SHOULD be starters for us.

Cashman also needs to fix/upgrade the bench and hopefully get this roster more LHed.

IMO Hal is certainly acting more like his Dad this off season far more than any other season in the past. It's the guy he brought back to be our lifetime GM that hasn't done enough, IMO

1 world series in 22 years hal is not doing whatever it takes to win at any cost..if he wanted the best chance to win he would go over the steve cohen luxury tax..but he will not..

[dayners81]

If Cashman can't put together a WS caliber roster for 293m, thats a Cashman problem, not a Hal problem.

290M is the 2nd highest payroll in baseball, we've seen for yrs that the highest payroll doesn't mean anything when it comes to winning the WS

[Kinkotheclown]

Hal spent money.

Hal's biggest failure is re-signing Cashman. Cashman's teams are the reason the Yankees haven't won, not Hal's money

[rrzubnyy]

If Cashman can't put together a WS caliber roster for 293m, thats a Cashman problem, not a Hal problem.

290M is the 2nd highest payroll in baseball, we've seen for yrs that the highest payroll doesn't mean anything when it comes to winning the WS

Roster is basically set. Hal never got to the finish line. So no, it wasn’t good enough IMO.

[rrzubnyy]

Highest payroll doesn’t always win but the highest payroll gives you a better chance than the teams below you.

Mets have a team. Hal chickened out at SS and LF.

[rrzubnyy]

Hal spent money.

Hal's biggest failure is re-signing Cashman. Cashman's teams are the reason the Yankees haven't won, not Hal's money

But Hal didn’t spend during 2013-2016….we got stiffs for free agents during those years. Then came the sell off in 2016. And all that is left from the sell off is a lazy 2nd basemen. The rest were junk.

[metswon69]

Roster is basically set. Hal never got to the finish line. So no, it wasn’t good enough IMO.

Its Cashman mostly. He's putting the rosters together and the Astros consistently win with payrolls that are 30 and 40% lower than the Yankees.

[dayners81]

Its Cashman mostly. He's putting the rosters together and the Astros consistently win with payrolls that are 30 and 40% lower than the Yankees.

I'm not a big fan of some f Houstons players, but there baseball operation people do a hell of a job. It's between them and the Braves for best run teams.

[rrzubnyy]

Its Cashman mostly. He's putting the rosters together and the Astros consistently win with payrolls that are 30 and 40% lower than the Yankees.

Houston’s run is about over. They are and have been losing all of their Oct money players for a few years now. Altuve and Bregman are about it. Verlander was a huge piece to lose. They also play in a weak Division from year to year and they pile up wins on those teams. When does the balanced schedule return? That was the biggest mistake MLB ever made. It was like a college football team schedule at times with one good team and the rest junk in their division. Now granted in Oct Houston played like the Dynasty Yankees with their core always coming through with big hits and big starts from rotation. But they will never touch the Yankees 90s Dynasty years of winning 4 of 5 WS and in the WS 6 of 8 years.

Cashman is not a horrible GM. The problem after 2001 was he didn’t correctly replace Tino, Paulie, Brosius, Coney, Wells, Stanton and Nellie so by the 2008 season he tried to go with 3 specs in the rotation and it failed. If wanted to go the youth route then just trade away Jeter, Posada, Pettitte and Mo and go all in but they bought Teix, CC and AJ and that alone changed the team from 2008. Then key injuries to Teix, Jeter in Oct ruined the 2009-2012 playoff run that could have been great if the injuries didn’t happen in Oct baseball. By 2013 Hal was in charge and the money spending stopped because of ARod, Teix, CC, Jeter, Mo all having big contracts and Hal would budge so Cashman gets the Kevin Youkilks’ of the world. He was starting to take chances on older vets that were hurt and prayed for bounce back years with little risk of money loss. That was 2013-2014. Ut they had a good manager who got the most out of his players with Girardi. Then came 2015 and they go to the WC vs Houston. Yankees were an old team and Houston was a team that was rising with youth and those players were good. Yankees got beat in the WC and Cashman had to decide on what to do and he went with youth and traded some players for specs in 2016. At the time it looked great for the future. We had Bird, Sanchez, Frazier, Torres, Judge, Monty, Sevy. Cashman thought he struck gold with a brand new Core like the Core 4 + Bernie….But only Judge lasted. Sure Torres is still here but he never took off after his rookie season. And Sevy was just too injury prone. Now we are in 2023. Who is the new Core coming up? I didn’t see much on the horizon.

Again, I would have signed Benny 5/80 and Swanson 7/185 along with Rodon and then I’d feel more confident with the lineup. Swanson is a money player in Oct. He was the best valued SS of all of the premium SS that were all signed in the last few years. That is the kind of guy that makes an impact in Oct. Now we have either Peraza or Volpe playing SS and they better be the right one going forward because you already wasted 3 years with Cole with no WS appearances and sure he is good but he is slowly starting to come in years with up and down seasons and injuries that appear because of wear and tear from all of the innings that have been piling up on his arm. You always want to cash in early with those type of monster contracts to key players. Teix, CC and AJ all ha big deals and Yankees cashed in in year 1. Hopefully Cole has at least 3 more terrific seasons left before the declining years hit or we will be waiting for Cole’s Judge’s, Rodon’s and Stanton’s contracts to drop before Hal spends big again.

[EAGLES3658]

Agree with people saying it's Cashman and not Hal. The team has a near 300M dollar payroll. Can't really pay out much more than that realistically. The blame lies with the person who can't put a team together for 300M.

[rrzubnyy]

Agree with people saying it's Cashman and not Hal. The team has a near 300M dollar payroll. Can't really pay out much more than that realistically. The blame lies with the person who can't put a team together for 300M.

So where is the wasted money at?

Name players and contracts…

[Chapin78]

So where is the wasted money at?

Name players and contracts…

I would like to play this game.

2023 season
JD 21.75 MM
Hicks 10.79 MM
IKF 6 MM

Total 38.54 MM of wasted roster dollars


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[metswon69]

I would like to play this game.

2023 season
JD 21.75 MM
Hicks 10.79 MM
IKF 6 MM

Total 38.54 MM of wasted roster dollars


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Giancarlo Stanton is there as well. Dude is making 29 million dollars a year to be less than a 1 WAR DH.