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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    So who do you recommend? Every one of the big 3 of Rodon, DeGrom, and Verlander had question marks. I'd argue Verlander had the LEAST of the three given age, years of contract, and pedigree. Would we really feel better with Rodon for 5+ than Verlander for 2?

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    Verlander is the better pitcher, first off.

    Second, Rodon would have cost two draft picks and pool money, since he got a QO. Having said that, if the Mets had not been able to get Verlander, they would have almost had no choice to go with Rodon.

    Health wise, I think Rodon has more or less proven he is not the risk that the Chisox thought he was which made them reluctant to give him a QO. As for Verlander, he isn't a health risk. All the talk is not about his healthy but about his age. That is, the anticipated diminishing of skills as you age in baseball. As for Degrom we don't know what the medical records say. However, Degrom may still need one more season to build up his arm strength after a layoff of a year between 2021 and 2022. Of the three, Degrom has the most health risk I think.

    All of that notwithstanding, I would have preferred Degrom return. But he priced himself off the Mets.

  2. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    DeGrom for 4-5 years is a much scarier bet than Verlander in my opinion

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    Actually, whatís crazy is itís not 4-5 years of deGrom. He signed a 5 year deal with a 6th tact on. Thatís a lot of years and Iím really ok the Mets didnít get the chance to match that.

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    Oh I saw no chance Mets go to 5-6 so I meant had we gotten him it would've been 4-5 (he'd settle)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    Oh I saw no chance Mets go to 5-6 so I meant had we gotten him it would've been 4-5 (he'd settle)

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    Ahh, I see. Though I donít think deGrom wanted to stay. As I said in another post and a few times last off season, they should have traded him last January.

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    At least DeGrom is in the other league and won't come back to haunt us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erickench View Post
    At least DeGrom is in the other league and won't come back to haunt us.
    I hear you and check out the rescheduling

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68METSFAN View Post
    They overpaid for verlander but after degrom left they might have had little choice. However, at 40 and arm history how much does he have left and does he get hurt and nit get it done at the end of the year. Fir these living verlander, do not whine if he does poorly or like this year pitches so so in the playoffs.
    Well it was either overpay Verlander or overpay Rodon along with losing the draft picks and the IFA money so you take the lesser of two evils. You got to get to the playoffs first before you worry about how a guy will pitch in them and for the most part Verlander has been solid in the playoffs aside from the WS. Cross that bridge when they hopefully get there.

    Unless the Mets have this crazy offseason (which i am not expecting) they are going to find themselves needing to add at the deadline regardless. I am not expecting Verlander to pitch to a sub 2 ERA btw but if he gives you 25-30 starts of a 2.5 ERA, I'm good.

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    I honestly don't think they overpaid for Verlander. You try to tell a guy he should get less than Scherzer when his resume is even more impressive.

    If anything we got lucky Verlander said he wants Max money and will just choose the destination afterwards, instead of getting people in a bidding war.

    You can argue we overpaid Max but after what Max got, this isn't an overpay. As he deserves exactly what Max got if not more.

    I'd argue you can make the argument they underpaid Verlander as he can justifiably ask for more than Max after winning his third Cy Young.

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    Just watched JV's press conference and was extremely impressed. He gives thoughtful, smart answers that reveal his seemingly bottomless drive and passion. Said when he had TJ surgery it was the first summer he had off from baseball since he was five. Said Steve was integral in his reasons for coming here, and while I know it's about money it's also about being committed to using that $ to build a sustainable winner. I'm not over the top on the impact of clubhouse culture but having driven superstars like Scherzer and Verlander on a staff has to have a trickle-down affect. I only wish we had more young pitchers closer to breaking through for them to directly and indirectly mentor. If I'm Megill, Allan, Tidwell, Ziegler, Vasil, etc.I follow them around ST like puppy dogs.
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    I remember in 2004 when Mets were heavily rumored to wanting to draft Verlander with the 3rd overall pick but Tigers took him at 2 and Mets drafted Humber instead.


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