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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    What's the alternative? Be like sure we won 101 games last year but we shouldn't compete this year? Sounds like a plan. Are we really this mad we went out and got the reigning cy young winner after losing our second ace? Seriously?

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    Of course compete. However, you do nit have a sherzer and verlander of years ago. You now have to top pitchers who are old and the Mets need to get younger not older. People are thinking verlander repeats what he did last year. Letís hope so but do nit whine if either one or both break down and loose time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68METSFAN View Post
    No they should stop throwing dollars at a 40 year old pitcher. Yes pitched great last year but nit great post season. Another year older if he does not breakdown come post season. Now you have to very old pitchers as your 1 and 2. Do nit complain if they miss time or can not do it post season. We saw scherzer fail in Atlanta and post season and now a year older.

    METS have a habit over the years no matter who owns the team in signing guys they hope will repeat what they did elsewhere even though they are much older. Cano, Bonilla, Biergarten, alomar etc.
    So who do you recommend? Every one of the big 3 of Rodon, DeGrom, and Verlander had question marks. I'd argue Verlander had the LEAST of the three given age, years of contract, and pedigree. Would we really feel better with Rodon for 5+ than Verlander for 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68METSFAN View Post
    Of course compete. However, you do nit have a sherzer and verlander of years ago. You now have to top pitchers who are old and the Mets need to get younger not older. People are thinking verlander repeats what he did last year. Letís hope so but do nit whine if either one or both break down and loose time.
    He's the best pitcher in the market and it wasn't close. If you even think Rodon was in the same stratosphere as him, you don't watch baseball. Yes we love Rodon because of stuff, age, and potential. But Verlander had highest upside for immediate future and lowest floor due to years of contract.

    DeGrom is great but even he had more questions than JV

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    So who do you recommend? Every one of the big 3 of Rodon, DeGrom, and Verlander had question marks. I'd argue Verlander had the LEAST of the three given age, years of contract, and pedigree. Would we really feel better with Rodon for 5+ than Verlander for 2?

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    Thats the thing there is risk in every pitcher they acquire or is available. Its not like there is a 26 year old TORP starter in FA we can get. 2 years for Verlander is fine.

    They need to keep adding though. This lineup needs a bat and the bullpen is going to be very different from last season.

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    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Thats the thing there is risk in every pitcher they acquire or is available. Its not like there is a 26 year old TORP starter in FA we can get. 2 years for Verlander is fine.

    They need to keep adding though. This lineup needs a bat and the bullpen is going to be very different from last season.
    One more starter, a center field option, and plenty of bullpen arms.

    I mentioned these guys before but you have to imagine that Heaney, Taillon, Senga and Bassitt are still options for the rotation. I prefer Heaney and Senga over the rest, though.

    I donít know if the Verlander deal allows or prohibits the team from spending big on Nimmo. Rumors of Benintendi makes me believe the Mets are searching elsewhere but I would again, much prefer some power in CF.

    Basically need a Bassitt, Ottavino, Lugo and Nimmo replacement at this point. The rest of the roster can still easily be filled out. Bullpen arms in the rule 5, more minor league relievers, and I have a feeling that a big trade will be swung soon enough, because spending will be somewhat curbed.


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    I think I rather Taillon than Heaney. He's safer imho.

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    Video from Martino seems he may be Mets top target as they tried to finish that before the Verlander deal anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    So who do you recommend? Every one of the big 3 of Rodon, DeGrom, and Verlander had question marks. I'd argue Verlander had the LEAST of the three given age, years of contract, and pedigree. Would we really feel better with Rodon for 5+ than Verlander for 2?

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    Unless DEGROM could nit be had at any price they could have stretched the payment like his METS contract was. Where % of money paid after contract with interest. Verlander scares me the most at 40 plus you add scherzer and yes it could be good. However, if they fade and bad in a pot3ntial post season then do not complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    One more starter, a center field option, and plenty of bullpen arms.

    I mentioned these guys before but you have to imagine that Heaney, Taillon, Senga and Bassitt are still options for the rotation. I prefer Heaney and Senga over the rest, though.

    I donít know if the Verlander deal allows or prohibits the team from spending big on Nimmo. Rumors of Benintendi makes me believe the Mets are searching elsewhere but I would again, much prefer some power in CF.

    Basically need a Bassitt, Ottavino, Lugo and Nimmo replacement at this point. The rest of the roster can still easily be filled out. Bullpen arms in the rule 5, more minor league relievers, and I have a feeling that a big trade will be swung soon enough, because spending will be somewhat curbed.


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    Bassett scares me the most and we saw how the Padres messed with his head. Being a perfectionist he will need to communicate with catcher quickly with a pitch clock in play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Thats the thing there is risk in every pitcher they acquire or is available. Its not like there is a 26 year old TORP starter in FA we can get. 2 years for Verlander is fine.

    They need to keep adding though. This lineup needs a bat and the bullpen is going to be very different from last season.
    They overpaid for verlander but after degrom left they might have had little choice. However, at 40 and arm history how much does he have left and does he get hurt and nit get it done at the end of the year. Fir these living verlander, do not whine if he does poorly or like this year pitches so so in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68METSFAN View Post
    Bassett scares me the most and we saw how the Padres messed with his head. Being a perfectionist he will need to communicate with catcher quickly with a pitch clock in play.
    When you look at the 2022 Mets and who was the ace of the starting staff most of the season and gave the Mets the most innings? It was Bassitt. He was a workhorse and there is no reason he couldn't replicate that in 2023. I think it would be wise to sign him and slot him in as number 3 in the rotation behind Max and Justin (or Justin and Max). Then fill the 4th spot with Carrasco and the 5th and spot starters with whoever is left, i.e., Megill, Peterson, Lucchesi, Elieser Hernandez. There isn't much on the farm with respect to starting pitching beyond Butto. Most of the next tier are still in AA and high A.

    In any case, that gives you more depth than you had last season since deGrom missed most of the season and you have Lucchesi back and added Hernandez. Of course you lost Trevor Williams and likely Taijuan Walker.

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    If they sign Bassett my only worry is can he get to a decision quickly with a pitch clock. He is a perfectionist in a game now on the clock.

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    I'm fine with Peterson and MeGill as the no. 4 and 5 starters. We just need to sign some depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68METSFAN View Post
    Unless DEGROM could nit be had at any price they could have stretched the payment like his METS contract was. Where % of money paid after contract with interest. Verlander scares me the most at 40 plus you add scherzer and yes it could be good. However, if they fade and bad in a pot3ntial post season then do not complain.
    DeGrom for 4-5 years is a much scarier bet than Verlander in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68METSFAN View Post
    They overpaid for verlander but after degrom left they might have had little choice. However, at 40 and arm history how much does he have left and does he get hurt and nit get it done at the end of the year. Fir these living verlander, do not whine if he does poorly or like this year pitches so so in the playoffs.
    Arm history is irrelevant now for Verlander. He has a new arm.

    To tell you the truth, looking over what Verlander did this year and coming back from TJ surgery, I'm actually surprised he pitched so well. I would have thought it would take at least a year to start pitching effectively after coming off the surgery and not pitching. Like what happened to Tijuan Walker in 2021.

    I can't explain it, but obviously Verlander didn't need any time to gear up.

    Personally, I don't whine about anybody who does poorly. I support the players and, not like some others who denigrate them when they are not performing well.

    I would have like for Degrom to return, but if you ask me which pitcher I prefer it is Verlander. We now have two super competitive bull dog starters. The dug out will jumping. Moreover, Scherzer and Verlander will set an example for the rest of the staff.

    As for whining, yes there had even whining about Scherzer. So to those people who whine, I have no respect.

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