Game18 The indeed improved Lakers @ None existent Spurs 11/26/22 at 5:00 pm

[blams]

I think he's been respectable, but just not the level of difference maker that we need. If we could add another star and keep this team in tact, and maybe add another solid big man rim protector, then sure we would be contenders but we simply dont have the pieces to make that happen and so it seems unlikely. Landing Kyrie could maybe get us there, but let's face it, no team is winning anything with Kyrie being such a loose cannon.

There was a literally overall grading including offense/defense that I read the other day where he was just under average bench player grade wise. If I see it.again I'll post it here.

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[Big Moves03]

Definitely. In the playoffs good defense can take a higher percentage of your run plays away and it often comes down to individual brilliance down the stretch. That is where Ja can win games, the problem is, with the ball dominance, comes worse team play overall.

Completely agree. That's always been one knock I've had against LBJ is that he's been super ball dominant player. It's worked for LBJ because he's an efficient scorer and works well when he has good shooters, and LBJ has obviously proven that he can make it work. I can't really think of other guys who dominate the ball to the extent where they become the entire offensive system who have been able to win at the highest level.

[McAllen Tx]

Were you wearing a bright yellow shirt?

With a white T underneath

[McAllen Tx]

Lol don’t LDawg on us bro by going back and forth. I hear you though. With Lebron and AD it’s very tempting to go all in now.

I can see why and understand if somehow (through LBJ) the FO has some kind of assurance that Kyrie is honestly thinking about coming as long as he can get a specific $ amount. But if they're moving blindly just hoping maybe Kyrie is an option they're just stupid and wasting time.

I'm always about the all in or all out. If we got that honest hint from Kyrie, going all in with AD and LBJ could be waiting on Kyrie.

[Iron24th]

I can see why and understand if somehow (through LBJ) the FO has some kind of assurance that Kyrie is honestly thinking about coming as long as he can get a specific $ amount. But if they're moving blindly just hoping maybe Kyrie is an option they're just stupid and wasting time.

I'm always about the all in or all out. If we got that honest hint from Kyrie, going all in with AD and LBJ could be waiting on Kyrie.

I'd rather have Lebron & AD + depth over another attempt at a big 3, Kyrie is a very unreliable player.

[WhiteShadow42]

With a white T underneath

Lullz.

[WhiteShadow42]

I can see why and understand if somehow (through LBJ) the FO has some kind of assurance that Kyrie is honestly thinking about coming as long as he can get a specific $ amount. But if they're moving blindly just hoping maybe Kyrie is an option they're just stupid and wasting time.

I'm always about the all in or all out. If we got that honest hint from Kyrie, going all in with AD and LBJ could be waiting on Kyrie.

Ya. This does have the feel of Kyrie possibly coming. He looks pretty disengaged in Brooklyn. Now if they don’t make a trade because he is gun shy? That would be pretty bad. With watching ADs game this year, I don’t know if he can play the 4 anymore. Especially on the perimeter. He is built like a 5 now and most of his shots outside of 18 feet are short. I think he should stay at the 5. The way he is playing now, he might even be less injured that way. Somehow we should be looking for a 6’8” wing player with great defense and rebounding and ok shot. You might know one out there that might fit the bill. I thing this team will automatically be better without Westbrook even with his better play of late.

[Big Moves03]

I'd rather have Lebron & AD + depth over another attempt at a big 3, Kyrie is a very unreliable player.

Yep, I want nothing to do with Kyrie

[Scoots]

Completely agree. That's always been one knock I've had against LBJ is that he's been super ball dominant player. It's worked for LBJ because he's an efficient scorer and works well when he has good shooters, and LBJ has obviously proven that he can make it work. I can't really think of other guys who dominate the ball to the extent where they become the entire offensive system who have been able to win at the highest level.

Indeed. The top ball dominator's teams tend to flame out before even the finals.

[Iron24th]

Yep, I want nothing to do with Kyrie

[Iron24th]

Ya. This does have the feel of Kyrie possibly coming. He looks pretty disengaged in Brooklyn. Now if they don’t make a trade because he is gun shy? That would be pretty bad. With watching ADs game this year, I don’t know if he can play the 4 anymore. Especially on the perimeter. He is built like a 5 now and most of his shots outside of 18 feet are short. I think he should stay at the 5. The way he is playing now, he might even be less injured that way. Somehow we should be looking for a 6’8” wing player with great defense and rebounding and ok shot. You might know one out there that might fit the bill. I thing this team will automatically be better without Westbrook even with his better play of late.

I approve this post.

[ldawg]

Completely agree. That's always been one knock I've had against LBJ is that he's been super ball dominant player. It's worked for LBJ because he's an efficient scorer and works well when he has good shooters, and LBJ has obviously proven that he can make it work. I can't really think of other guys who dominate the ball to the extent where they become the entire offensive system who have been able to win at the highest level.

Kidd, Nash, AI, Kobe, Harden, Wade, Kyrie, MJ, Johnson, Wilt, Shaq, etc just off the top of my head

[ldawg]

Ya. This does have the feel of Kyrie possibly coming. He looks pretty disengaged in Brooklyn. Now if they don’t make a trade because he is gun shy? That would be pretty bad. With watching ADs game this year, I don’t know if he can play the 4 anymore. Especially on the perimeter. He is built like a 5 now and most of his shots outside of 18 feet are short. I think he should stay at the 5. The way he is playing now, he might even be less injured that way. Somehow we should be looking for a 6’8” wing player with great defense and rebounding and ok shot. You might know one out there that might fit the bill. I thing this team will automatically be better without Westbrook even with his better play of late.

Breaking news this just in AD is better at the 5. Where have you been. The only reason you get a center is for health issues. Key why i said if Lakers give up picks and the main return is a center it may not work and the player may leave as a free agent. Hint why Turner may be a better option that Poetl. Turner to has the same iffy shot but it should be ok to draw his man out and take turns at center. Portl may end up being used like Mcgee and he may not like that. Maybe he might i dint know. But if your going to give up picks you have to be certain they will resign or you will be in a worst situation than you are today in a few months. If they were under contract could always trade. Thats another reason i said a guard might be the best bet since they dont play the same position.

This is by no means saying its impossible it just comes with very high risk. One can say inconsistent playing both side the fence or what ever nothing is set in stone. That is why you need options. iIf one dont work you go to the other.

[ldawg]

I'd rather have Lebron & AD + depth over another attempt at a big 3, Kyrie is a very unreliable player.

Good luck with that. But i do understand the reserve for Kyrie. No question it have risk there. They have been struggling to be a playoff team and James is trying to make history so it will depend on what kind of depth your referring to and could very well be the best option.

[Big Moves03]

Kidd, Nash, AI, Kobe, Harden, Wade, Kyrie, MJ, Johnson, Wilt, Shaq, etc just off the top of my head

Neither Kidd nor Nash were ball dominant players and they never won a title as stars. Magic was absolutely not a ball dominant player, which is what makes his play making ability all the more impressive (putting up a ton of assists while dominating the ball a ton is not all that different than scoring a lot while taking a ton of shots). Kobe was also not a ball dominant player. He played within the offense and could become ball dominant, but the offense wasn't him dribbling around until he did something (e.g., pass or shoot). Ditto for MJ. Wilt and Shaq were absolutely not ball dominant players (difficult to be ball dominant as a center). Wade was more ball dominant than these guys, but he never won during his most ball dominant phase of his career. When he was playing alongside Shaq, there was an inside-out emphasis and an actual offense that was still being run. When Wade teamed up with LBJ, Wade was no longer able to play that style. Kyrie wasn't really able to be a super ball dominant player alongside LBJ and he has never done anything since. With Kyrie at his most ball dominant, his teams haven't been very good and have often been better without him (e.g., Boston).

A.I. fits the bill, but he never led his team to a title. Harden is the perfect example of a ball dominant player and also the perfect example of how laughably ineffective that style of play is when games matter (obviously he's never won anything and likely never will as a star, because he stopped being a star a while ago). So yeah, LBJ is really the only clear example.