Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[johnny ny]

Imo, If his back didn't betray him Donnie BB is a first ballot selection. I agree a good showing. He finished ahead of several good players, Curt Schilling (7 votes) and Dale Murphy (6).

FWIW Fewer than four votes: Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Rafael Palmeiro.

i do not think mcgriff like hal baines was a hall of fame player he played a long time and was healthy that does not make you a hall of fame player he only had a 52 war..

[johnny ny]

carlos beltran has almost similar stats to mcgriff and he has a 70 war ...he deserved the hall of fame more then fred mcgriff

[johnny ny]

McGriff was voted into the HOF unanimously with all 16 voters voting for him. Mattingly finished 2nd with 8 votes. Real good showing for the Hitman.

the committee is a joke.. ... mattingly does not deserve any hall of fame consideration... injuries limited his chances..

[johnny ny]

was not greg maddux a member of this committee who voted in his teammate?

[drt1010]

i do not think mcgriff like hal baines was a hall of fame player he played a long time and was healthy that does not make you a hall of fame player he only had a 52 war..

You stay healthy and play long enough you compile very good numbers. They call them compilers. I believe as younger guys become the majority in HOF voting you may see a shift to WAR and other analytic metrics becoming a more central component in the selection criteria.

WAR , too, presents problems. Between its two popular formulas, it can differ wildly — enough to tip players over the edge in one and not the other. For instance, Ortiz’s 51 FanGraphs WAR surely hampered his case relative to his 55.3 Baseball-Reference number.

Baseball writer Jay Jaffe has suggested a metric that solves for some of this: JAWS. It incorporates both a player’s career WAR and that of his seven best seasons, synthesizing them into one number. Dominance matters, and this stat adjusts for that and lessens how much compiling can impact a player’s case.

[drt1010]

the committee is a joke.. ... mattingly does not deserve any hall of fame consideration... injuries limited his chances..

Some would agree with you. However others would argue in his prime there was a 5 season stretch when he was the best player in the game. No question injuries took their toll.

Mattingly won nine Gold Gloves, his on base percentage was .358, Mattingly had an OPS+ of 127. played 1,785 games. He won an MVP award and batting title.

[Stevemil505]

Send the Marlins Torres, Volpe, Peraza, Schmidt and a Cabrera and get Alcantara to be the #2.

Stupid suggestion; hope you are kidding.

[OhSoSlick]

Stupid suggestion; hope you are kidding.

It's Mush, it absolutely is something he thinks is a good idea. It's also an idea that in 5 mins will change in his mind 50 times.

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[hugepatsfan]

My biggest problem with this team is that Hal seemingly flip-flops year to year on how he wants to spend. Some years he wants to re-sign Judge or add Coke at all costs. Other years he wants us to duck the luxury tax. Some years he’s ok giving long deals, other years he makes us sign Ellsbury over Cano to save a year on the contract term (at least Cano was a great player for short term). There just doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to our team. And while I don’t want to be a Cashman apologist, that makes it difficult to build a team. It’s tough when one year your owner signs off on a huge spending spree and then the next it’s “let’s re-set the luxury tax”.

[Webslinger]

Hard pass. No PEDs. If he was using at this age, that's a bad sign.
He also dislocated his shoulder 4 times in a year???

And he broke his hamate bone

And then there is this

On a Saturday afternoon in St. Louis, Tatis, after losing his cool following a called third strike, snapped at Dickerson when the coach tapped the then-22-year-old shortstop on the leg and essentially told him “let’s go, we need you.”

“You go play baseball!” Machado shouted at Tatis, adding with an expletive: “It’s not … about you!”

After Dickerson and Tatis had been separated, starting pitcher Joe Musgrove told the coach he had done the right thing. Many players had grown tired of Tatis’s moodiness, immaturity and lack of accountability. Just as his energy could lift the team, his behavior during the team’s collapse was deflating. It’s about time somebody said something, Musgrove told Dickerson.


I have no idea how the Dads trade a kid with a crap attitude, major injury history, PED usage, who was playing like crap and who has 12 years left on a contra t that balloons to 36 AAV in it's last 6 years.

They will have to eat it up.

Hmmm. Send them JD, Hicks and have them eat half the contract? Still such a risk.

The phillies and padres had no problem taking on Harper and Machado. Tatis will find a home somewhere. Over the next 5 years do not be surprised if he isn't the best player in the majors especially if he stays healthy and grows a better attitude. Most players do as they mature. Only a few headcases out there never changed and I think we all know who they were. They are in the minority. Tatis making 36 million AAV when he's 29-35 is hardly anything to complain about. By then most good players will be making that much, much less a superstar like Tatis, who could be the next Arod. Age 35 is the perfect age for a contract to end. If only Judge would take a contract till he was 35.

If the Padres say, yeah, we'll take Volpe, Schmidt, Torres and German and some lower level prospect you make that trade yesterday.

[Webslinger]

My biggest problem with this team is that Hal seemingly flip-flops year to year on how he wants to spend. Some years he wants to re-sign Judge or add Coke at all costs. Other years he wants us to duck the luxury tax. Some years he’s ok giving long deals, other years he makes us sign Ellsbury over Cano to save a year on the contract term (at least Cano was a great player for short term). There just doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to our team. And while I don’t want to be a Cashman apologist, that makes it difficult to build a team. It’s tough when one year your owner signs off on a huge spending spree and then the next it’s “let’s re-set the luxury tax”.

Hal had nothing to do with signing Ellsbury, lol.

Yup, it's tough building a team with only 264 million to work with.

[jango2000]

Thanks, Day.

[jango2000]

Some would agree with you. However others would argue in his prime there was a 5 season stretch when he was the best player in the game. No question injuries took their toll.

Mattingly won nine Gold Gloves, his on base percentage was .358, Mattingly had an OPS+ of 127. played 1,785 games. He won an MVP award and batting title.

Exactly, Doc! People who weren't around in the 80s don't understand that Donnie had a five year stretch of being the BEST player in the game.
Sandy Koufax is in the Hall also for a five year run of being the best pitcher in the game.
I am not impressed with the guys who hang around long enough to compile the numbers without ever dominating the game.
To belong in the Hall you should be one of those players who people absolutely had to go see.
Donnie was that. Fred - while a really good player - was not.
Donnie belongs in the hall. People have short memories.

[ShadyOne]

Exactly, Doc! People who weren't around in the 80s don't understand that Donnie had a five year stretch of being the BEST player in the game.
Sandy Koufax is in the Hall also for a five year run of being the best pitcher in the game.
I am not impressed with the guys who hang around long enough to compile the numbers without ever dominating the game.
To belong in the Hall you should be one of those players who people absolutely had to go see.
Donnie was that. Fred - while a really good player - was not.
Donnie belongs in the hall. People have short memories.

Koufax did win 3 Cys, an MVP, and lead the league in ERA all 5 of those years, and whip 4 of those years. That’s complete dominance

[johnnyi]

Some would agree with you. However others would argue in his prime there was a 5 season stretch when he was the best player in the game. No question injuries took their toll.

Mattingly won nine Gold Gloves, his on base percentage was .358, Mattingly had an OPS+ of 127. played 1,785 games. He won an MVP award and batting title.

He also was a good Manager, which might put him over the top.