Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[Chapin78]

I am not ready to move Torres I think he is a really good 2B and Volpe hasn't had one AB on the MLB club. I would say he is a top 5 in MLB overall at the position. Semien who I think is a decent comp is at 26MM per. What are the Yankees willing to pay him and is he worth that money?

My gut is that if the Yanks move on from him its either at the trade deadline or he just walks with no return to the Yanks. I don't see the Yanks giving him a don't leave us contract.

[Webslinger]

Torres is very volatile with both his offense and defense. You don't know what you're going to get out of him. DJ and Cabrera can man the position till or if Volpe is ready. Trade Torres now before he turns into the next untradeable commodity that they end up losing for absolutely nothing. Speaking of which, Anduijar has been released by the Pirates. Now both he and Frazier are out of baseball. Remember, these were the two that Cashman would not trade for Cole.

[Kinkotheclown]

I am not ready to move Torres I think he is a really good 2B and Volpe hasn't had one AB on the MLB club. I would say he is a top 5 in MLB overall at the position. Semien who I think is a decent comp is at 26MM per. What are the Yankees willing to pay him and is he worth that money?

My gut is that if the Yanks move on from him its either at the trade deadline or he just walks with no return to the Yanks. I don't see the Yanks giving him a don't leave us contract.

They have two years left of Arb. They could hold him this year and move him next, although his value would drop a bit unless he killed it.

I think they need to do it before the season if they are going to do it. If he plays well, it's hard to justify moving him unless the team stinks. If he plays poorly, he has far less value.

For me, he needs to net a really good player. If that isn't the case, keep him at 2B and let Volpe cook in the minors till he forces his way up and then deal with Torres in the off season.

[Kinkotheclown]

Torres is very volatile with both his offense and defense. You don't know what you're going to get out of him. DJ and Cabrera can man the position till or if Volpe is ready. Trade Torres now before he turns into the next untradeable commodity that they end up losing for absolutely nothing. Speaking of which, Anduijar has been released by the Pirates. Now both he and Frazier are out of baseball. Remember, these were the two that Cashman would not trade for Cole.

The Yankees ****ed up, both of those players. I think it was horrid how they dealt with them. It's similar to how they are dealing with Flo. They truly need to figure out how to continue development when guys are in that transition from AAA to the bigs.
Some guys just aren't good enough but Andujar showed he could flat out hit.

I do agree that they not only failed to get value form them when they could have but they also failed to keep them as contributors
It's a double whammy.

[drt1010]

I am not ready to move Torres I think he is a really good 2B and Volpe hasn't had one AB on the MLB club. I would say he is a top 5 in MLB overall at the position. Semien who I think is a decent comp is at 26MM per. What are the Yankees willing to pay him and is he worth that money?

My gut is that if the Yanks move on from him its either at the trade deadline or he just walks with no return to the Yanks. I don't see the Yanks giving him a don't leave us contract.

I tend to agree. We are crowning Peraza and Volpe as heir apparents, one has 18 games of MLB experience the other has 0. I realize they are good, if not great spects, but I am not ready to give up on a MLB proven talent just yet. Imo Peraza and Volpe still have a lot to prove on the next level.

[drt1010]

The Yankees ****ed up, both of those players. I think it was horrid how they dealt with them. It's similar to how they are dealing with Flo. They truly need to figure out how to continue development when guys are in that transition from AAA to the bigs.
Some guys just aren't good enough but Andujar showed he could flat out hit.

I do agree that they not only failed to get value form them when they could have but they also failed to keep them as contributors
It's a double whammy.

Must it always be the FO who ****s up? Isn't it possible these spects were over hyped and maybe not as good as advertised? Is it not also possible injury may play a role? Andujar had a bat but no glove, where do you play him was the issue.

[Chapin78]

They have two years left of Arb. They could hold him this year and move him next, although his value would drop a bit unless he killed it.

I think they need to do it before the season if they are going to do it. If he plays well, it's hard to justify moving him unless the team stinks. If he plays poorly, he has far less value.

For me, he needs to net a really good player. If that isn't the case, keep him at 2B and let Volpe cook in the minors till he forces his way up and then deal with Torres in the off season.

Your right for some reason I thought this was the year I was way off.

I agree he needs to bring in someone that is of REALLY good value. It will be a business move to use assets available to get a needed asset. Whether its dealing Volpe or Torres someone has to go because there is a need in the OF and also an injury or two away from needing an arm.

[Phoba Rama]

Must it always be the FO who ****s up? Isn't it possible these spects were over hyped and maybe not as good as advertised? Is it not also possible injury may play a role? Andujar had a bat but no glove, where do you play him was the issue.

It was a combination of screw ups. They players failed to meet expectations, the front office failed to realize the players were going to fail to meet expectations soon enough to trade them, injuries occurred that dampened their value, and lastly player development failed to help these two meet their potential.

The responsibility it shared, but they all still failed. Hard to swallow the pill that Andujar was not traded for Cole. I'm certain that if they knew what Urshela was going to do for them they would have done the trade in a second. Hindsight. At that point they had no answers at third base. Still, I think Cole was worth it.

[dayners81]

It's funny a lot of people hated on Gardy the majority of his career here. Who wouldn't be thrilled is we had prime Gardy ready to go this yr in LF? massively underrated and under appreciated player by the fans.

Hopefully one day the Yanks recognize him. Is he monument park worthy?

[drt1010]

It's funny a lot of people hated on Gardy the majority of his career here. Who wouldn't be thrilled is we had prime Gardy ready to go this yr in LF? massively underrated and under appreciated player by the fans.

Hopefully one day the Yanks recognize him. Is he monument park worthy?

Bravo!

[drt1010]

It was a combination of screw ups. They players failed to meet expectations, the front office failed to realize the players were going to fail to meet expectations soon enough to trade them, injuries occurred that dampened their value, and lastly player development failed to help these two meet their potential.

The responsibility it shared, but they all still failed. Hard to swallow the pill that Andujar was not traded for Cole. I'm certain that if they knew what Urshela was going to do for them they would have done the trade in a second. Hindsight. At that point they had no answers at third base. Still, I think Cole was worth it.

Point taken.

Far too often we fall in love with prospects.

[Kinkotheclown]

Must it always be the FO who ****s up? Isn't it possible these spects were over hyped and maybe not as good as advertised? Is it not also possible injury may play a role? Andujar had a bat but no glove, where do you play him was the issue.

It wasn't the FO. If I blamed just them, I would be very clear. I feel it's the organization. The coaches who deal with these kids are the ones I think failed.
We know that Andujar could hit. It just doesn't disappear in a player that young. The constant up and down moving place to place... is the thing I think ruined him.

The FO is responsible for hiring the coaches and making the choices regarding call ups and send downs but I think its a failure of the organization
There are certainly some guys that just aren't good enough to stick but I don't think Andujar falls into that category

[OhSoSlick]

I agree. But I think Torres is worth more than Happ. I think he's worth more than Kepler. If they could move him and a mid level arm for Reynolds? That's a good deal
I am concerned they do the Cashman thing and trade him for some 35+ year old, middling player.

I wasn't necessarily thinking about Torres. Just an infield piece in general.

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[Kinkotheclown]

I wasn't necessarily thinking about Torres. Just an infield piece in general.

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Right on.

I hope against all odds they can move JD

[dayners81]

being told that Cole Hamels threw today for team and looked very, very good. He was sitting 89-92 with excellent spin on his breaking pitches. Yanks have expressed interest on a MILB deal with an invite to ST.

i'm not the biggest fan of the guy, but unless Montas is going to be out for the yr, German should be more than fine as a 5th starter. I'd be fine with German in that role all yr actually