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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I tend to agree with him.
    If the stats and anals are the things governing choices for who they pick and who they play?
    Add to that, that stats were one of the things Cashman cited when they had all righty bats. All those players hit righties and lefties, statically well.

    Most damning?
    IKF is an excellent SS according to their anals.

    This team's build is predicated on Fishman's system.

    Players play. With that I agree and they haven't performed when it was needed. That's the point. Their stats suggest they should have.
    Stats don't count for everything. They are a tool for evaluation. But the Yankees have been beholden to them. That's where they have consistently shot themselves in the foot.
    I hope that changes. You just need some actual baseball people involved to see if guys make sense for a team and its needs.
    Players and their stats is like picking a stock in the market. You may see terrific prior performance of that stock but nothing is guaranteed from past performances, there are other factors involved that sway numbers.

    And that is what some people see with regards to Peraza and Volpe.

    Volpe probably has the better mental makeup than Peraza. His(Peraza)minor glove at SS may not be the same in the majors because his mental makeup may affect him. Both players obviously had slumps in the minors with the bat. Did it affect their defense? How is a batting slump in the majors going to affect them? What about the NY media? How will they react during tough questions? Do we know how they are when they first come to the Stadium prior to a game? How is their mood? Are they affected by outside issues? Do issues outside that nobody knows about affect their play? From what I hear Volpe has what it takes to play in NY. Iím not saying Peraza doesnít but why do they put Volpe in the golden child category? A flashy glove at SS and a terrific range doesnít cut it. There are more factors involved that we donít know about with Volpe and Peraza.

    Sure the perfect world suggests Peraza at SS and Volpe at 2nd or 3rd. But a perfect world doesnít exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Players and their stats is like picking a stock in the market. You may see terrific prior performance of that stock but nothing is guaranteed from past performances, there are other factors involved that sway numbers.

    And that is what some people see with regards to Peraza and Volpe.

    Volpe probably has the better mental makeup than Peraza. His(Peraza)minor glove at SS may not be the same in the majors because his mental makeup may affect him. Both players obviously had slumps in the minors with the bat. Did it affect their defense? How is a batting slump in the majors going to affect them? What about the NY media? How will they react during tough questions? Do we know how they are when they first come to the Stadium prior to a game? How is their mood? Are they affected by outside issues? Do issues outside that nobody knows about affect their play? From what I hear Volpe has what it takes to play in NY. Iím not saying Peraza doesnít but why do they put Volpe in the golden child category? A flashy glove at SS and a terrific range doesnít cut it. There are more factors involved that we donít know about with Volpe and Peraza.

    Sure the perfect world suggests Peraza at SS and Volpe at 2nd or 3rd. But a perfect world doesnít exists.
    I don't get why you think Peraza has a poor mental makeup? He has a good work ethic. He has a good IQ. he has a good drive.
    Volpe may have the better of al of those but he doesn't have the physical skill set, Peraza has.
    It's actually part of the reason, I think Volpe will be better suited to 2B or 3B. I think he will make up his mind to be the best he can at either spot.

    I really want to see an IF with both of them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    The eye test can also determine mental makeup of a player. Stats donít tell us anything with mental makeup. Stats tell us if a pitcher is very good in Yankee Stadium but when he plays for the Yankees his past stats and that is what the anals use, the past stats, are then nowhere to be found because he is mentally weak when playing for the Yankees.

    I can name at least 5 decent starters who were signed or traded for and then flopped as a Yankee because they didnít have what it takes inside their little head to perform well under the pressures of NY.

    Sonny Gray was mentally weak in NY. But letís just solely blame Rothschild. Look, maybe some come on the guy was weak. You could see it in his face. And when you feel the pressure you canít throw the ball where you want to. But the anals said his numbers will be terrific with the Yankees.
    I don't think the eye test can tell you who can or can't play in NYC. I think once here, the eye test can certainly help assess that.
    Randy Johnson passed every eye test you could have and he stunk in NY. He had every bit of mental makeup and work ethic, a great pitcher needed. He just couldn't handle the NY spotlight. Even his, NY eye test, showed he had drive. He just didn't perform up to his billing.
    Kevin Brown was similar.
    Pavano was soft. That was clear from the eye test.

    The eye test can show if a player has fire and drive. If that is the sole aspect of mental make up to which you refer, then yes. The eye test can show the makeup of a player.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I tend to agree with him.
    If the stats and anals are the things governing choices for who they pick and who they play?
    Add to that, that stats were one of the things Cashman cited when they had all righty bats. All those players hit righties and lefties, statically well.

    Most damning?
    IKF is an excellent SS according to their anals.

    This team's build is predicated on Fishman's system.

    Players play. With that I agree and they haven't performed when it was needed. That's the point. Their stats suggest they should have.
    Stats don't count for everything. They are a tool for evaluation. But the Yankees have been beholden to them. That's where they have consistently shot themselves in the foot.
    I hope that changes. You just need some actual baseball people involved to see if guys make sense for a team and its needs.
    Do a bunch of you guys use the term "anals" because you don't like analytics or is it simply an unfortunate looking shortening of a word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I don't think the eye test can tell you who can or can't play in NYC. I think once here, the eye test can certainly help assess that.
    Randy Johnson passed every eye test you could have and he stunk in NY. He had every bit of mental makeup and work ethic, a great pitcher needed. He just couldn't handle the NY spotlight. Even his, NY eye test, showed he had drive. He just didn't perform up to his billing.
    Kevin Brown was similar.
    Pavano was soft. That was clear from the eye test.

    The eye test can show if a player has fire and drive. If that is the sole aspect of mental make up to which you refer, then yes. The eye test can show the makeup of a player.
    I don't think it's as simple as some guys can perform in NY while others can't. I mean: what did you really expect out of Johnson's age 41 and 42 seasons? The Yankees still got 430+ innings and 7.3 fWAR out of him. That's a fairly productive starting pitcher.

    I think it's best to use a combination of analytics and "eye test". I'd also say that every team does this very thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Do a bunch of you guys use the term "anals" because you don't like analytics or is it simply an unfortunate looking shortening of a word?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
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    LOL. Funny how that worked outÖ

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    Cash "DJLM is a key player and is healthy and we will have Volpe and Peraza compete for SS in ST"

    No mention of IKF? that's a great sign
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    @BobbyMilone29

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    Cash "DJLM is a key player and is healthy and we will have Volpe and Peraza compete for SS in ST"

    No mention of IKF? that's a great sign
    Also doesn't mention Tores or JD so what should we make of that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevemil505 View Post
    Also doesn't mention Tores or JD so what should we make of that??
    Why would he mention them in a discussion about SS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
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    Lol
    Beat me to it



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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    Why would he mention them in a discussion about SS?
    For the same reason he mentioned DJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    I don't think it's as simple as some guys can perform in NY while others can't. I mean: what did you really expect out of Johnson's age 41 and 42 seasons? The Yankees still got 430+ innings and 7.3 fWAR out of him. That's a fairly productive starting pitcher.

    I think it's best to use a combination of analytics and "eye test". I'd also say that every team does this very thing.
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    I just think the yankees rely more on anal.

    They seem to love their anal.

    They have been anal first and they are stubborn to give it up.

    (We could shorten it to that!! )

    I do think this team has relied too heavily on stats.



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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    For the same reason he mentioned DJ.
    I didnít see the context of the comment, but it seemed just general discussion. I think them pushing the narrative that itís an open competition for SS indicates that they have no problems with one of them winning it.

    And you know if DJ is healthy, heís playing mostly every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I don't get why you think Peraza has a poor mental makeup? He has a good work ethic. He has a good IQ. he has a good drive.
    Volpe may have the better of al of those but he doesn't have the physical skill set, Peraza has.
    It's actually part of the reason, I think Volpe will be better suited to 2B or 3B. I think he will make up his mind to be the best he can at either spot.

    I really want to see an IF with both of them.
    I didnít mean Peraza has a poor mental makeup. I said I feel the Yankees like Volpe better on the way he handles himself on and off the field. And during the ups and downs of a season. Think Derek Jeter. I just feel Volpe is their golden child and Peraza canít mess up one bit with anything. I roof for both to succeed as it gives the Yankees a better foundation for the future. At this point I donít care where Volpe plays and if they are both in the infield together then that is a win win for the Yankees.

    But if Cashman had to trade for necessity and it was just Peraza or Volpe as one of the top specs I feel he would trade Peraza as deep down I feel Volpe is untouchable with regards to a Cashman. You donít trade away the golden child.
    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 01-23-2023 at 06:48 AM.
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    2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
    3. I Me Mine
    4. A Day in the Life
    5. Helter Skelter
    6. Let it Be
    7. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
    8. Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite
    9. Golden Slumbers
    10. Eleanor Rigby

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