Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[johnny ny]

Fair points and I agree

IMO upgrading the rotation, especially by adding a 2nd Ace, was probably the easiest way to upgrade the team overall. If that rotation pitches anywhere close to expectation, ( i think we're going to see a much improved Montas who will be pitching for a new contract) this should have an elite staff and the highest era could be a mid 3's era. If you 4th/5th starters are some combo of Nestor, Sevy and Montas, that a hell of a rotation on paper.

The BP is much improved with Green and Chapman gone and getting full seasons from King, Marinaccio and a healthy Lo, also helps alot.

With the kind of defense they should play with full seasons of Bader, Cabrera and Peraza combined with the elite pitching should take the need to score tons of runs every game to win. We still have more than enough power in this lineup and again IMO, the lineup offensively has improved also with full seasons from Bader, Cabrera and Peraza

While i don't see the lineup being good enough to win a WS as currently constructed, but should be good enough to keep them at the top of the AL East. At least until Volpe and maybe Dom are ready later in the yr or when a better, more realistic LF option are available at the deadline

i disagree about the pen green was always a reliable arm in the pen he is gone lo was healthy until he injured himself and he was awful even when he came back lo would implode at time son the mound chapman was great the first few months last year unhittable you have a closer who you cannot trust one bit after his second half.. so you will have the lead heading to the 7th inning next year and lose a bunch of games because of the suspect pen..

[Phoba Rama]

i disagree about the pen green was always a reliable arm in the pen he is gone lo was healthy until he injured himself and he was awful even when he came back lo would implode at time son the mound chapman was great the first few months last year unhittable you have a closer who you cannot trust one bit after his second half.. so you will have the lead heading to the 7th inning next year and lose a bunch of games because of the suspect pen..

The bullpen is far from sus. In fact, it's a major strength on this team. Kahnle improves the pen. Loaisiga was actually lights out for the last month or so of the season. Holmes figured it out for the playoffs. King was hurt at the end of the season and is going to be back for opening day, which greatly strengthens the bullpen. Peralta is still here. Trivino is solid in the same way that Chad Green was. Will put up good numbers but wouldn't trust him in big situations. Marinaccio is a stud. That's seven good relievers. That leaves one spot and a number of players who can fill it. Weissert - solid, Abreu - solid, German, Krook, Schmidt all solid options for your last man out if you need length. Brito, same.

The bullpen is a strength, not a weakness. Maybe one of the top bullpens in the league overall, though I agree that Holmes has to prove that his playoff performance was who he really is.

Bottom line to me. Holmes performed when it mattered most. In the playoffs. He had a 0.00 ERA in 8 innings.

[dayners81]

i disagree about the pen green was always a reliable arm in the pen he is gone lo was healthy until he injured himself and he was awful even when he came back lo would implode at time son the mound chapman was great the first few months last year unhittable you have a closer who you cannot trust one bit after his second half.. so you will have the lead heading to the 7th inning next year and lose a bunch of games because of the suspect pen..

per usual your head is in your arse..

we know you don't watch games but Lo was easily our best reliever from AS break on and especially in the playoffs. Green was extremely big hit prone, especially last yr.

A healthy King, a full season of Marinaccio and Kahnle make this a much better backend than last yr and it's not really close..

[dayners81]

https://twitter.com/YankeesSlut/stat...92522651856897

Olney on the Correa situation. Teams are only allowed to see his medicals if they made a offer? after hearing that I can see why he's having a problem.

If the Mets are still willing to give him a long term offer, I would expect them to get it done. If he ends up being interested in a short term deal, the Yanks are expect to be players.

If we could get him on a 1-2yr deal would you guys be interested, or would it still be a pass for those here who have been against him? He's still a prick, but on a short term deal to play 3rd ( which is expected to be his position going forward with any team ) i'd be in

[dayners81]

The bullpen is far from sus. In fact, it's a major strength on this team. Kahnle improves the pen. Loaisiga was actually lights out for the last month or so of the season. Holmes figured it out for the playoffs. King was hurt at the end of the season and is going to be back for opening day, which greatly strengthens the bullpen. Peralta is still here. Trivino is solid in the same way that Chad Green was. Will put up good numbers but wouldn't trust him in big situations. Marinaccio is a stud. That's seven good relievers. That leaves one spot and a number of players who can fill it. Weissert - solid, Abreu - solid, German, Krook, Schmidt all solid options for your last man out if you need length. Brito, same.

The bullpen is a strength, not a weakness. Maybe one of the top bullpens in the league overall, though I agree that Holmes has to prove that his playoff performance was who he really is.

Bottom line to me. Holmes performed when it mattered most. In the playoffs. He had a 0.00 ERA in 8 innings.

100% facts

I still think they bring in at least 1 more LHBP. We've heard some talk about Brit on a MILB deal, which wouldn't be bad at all.

[rrzubnyy]

https://twitter.com/YankeesSlut/stat...92522651856897

Olney on the Correa situation. Teams are only allowed to see his medicals if they made a offer? after hearing that I can see why he's having a problem.

If the Mets are still willing to give him a long term offer, I would expect them to get it done. If he ends up being interested in a short term deal, the Yanks are expect to be players.

If we could get him on a 1-2yr deal would you guys be interested, or would it still be a pass for those here who have been against him? He's still a prick, but on a short term deal to play 3rd ( which is expected to be his position going forward with any team ) i'd be in

There is obviously a problem with the ankle that was hurt in the minors 8 years ago. The Mets want him badly. He is a terrific player when healthy and is an Oct performer. My guess is the Mets will lower the years below 10.

He will sign 8/220 Boras now knows this will just cause more issues if he keeps waiting on teams to see his medicals. But Steve Cohen wants him and it will get done but not at what Boras wants. I could also see insurance clauses included to protect the Mets if that specific injury were to crop up again. But it will get done. Cohen will have his team of AllStars and good for the Mets. It is good for baseball and Hal is happy to not have that label anymore for now.

[rrzubnyy]

The bullpen is far from sus. In fact, it's a major strength on this team. Kahnle improves the pen. Loaisiga was actually lights out for the last month or so of the season. Holmes figured it out for the playoffs. King was hurt at the end of the season and is going to be back for opening day, which greatly strengthens the bullpen. Peralta is still here. Trivino is solid in the same way that Chad Green was. Will put up good numbers but wouldn't trust him in big situations. Marinaccio is a stud. That's seven good relievers. That leaves one spot and a number of players who can fill it. Weissert - solid, Abreu - solid, German, Krook, Schmidt all solid options for your last man out if you need length. Brito, same.

The bullpen is a strength, not a weakness. Maybe one of the top bullpens in the league overall, though I agree that Holmes has to prove that his playoff performance was who he really is.

Bottom line to me. Holmes performed when it mattered most. In the playoffs. He had a 0.00 ERA in 8 innings.

King will be back opening day? Are you sure about that? I’ll believe it when I see it.

[rrzubnyy]

I know his BABIP was really high in AAA and the swing need to be shortened a little so he doesn't get beat by high velo FBs up in the zone, but is that really enough of a reason to not give him a shot when we know how good the defense and speed can be?

Kepler hit .227/.318/.348/.666 with 9hrs and 18 2bs and 43 RBI's in 115 games and had a WAR just above 2. Flo is the better defender, but is it really unrealistic that he could at least put up as good if not better numbers.

McCarthy hit .274/.340/.418/.759 which is a higher avg than Flo will probably have, but McCarthy doesn't have the greatest BB Savant numbers. Is he really worth a Torres plus? when we have a similar player in Flo? I certainly don't.

I'm really starting to think, with the current market prices going with Flo/Cabrera and maybe some kind of RH platoon would be best until they have a clearer picture of what they really want/need in LF.

You keep on telling us what needs to be done with his swing. You have to realize muscle memory kicks in with everybody. I’m sure he was told but he just can’t do it. Florial maybe a talented OFer but he can’t hit major league pitchers. He is a bust! Cashman knows this otherwise he would have been up a long time ago and would be still starting for the Yankees in CFer.

It is safe to say he is not going to be the new Bernie Williams.

He is a hitting bust like Greg Bird.

And I’m sold on Cabrera either. That swing is suspect as it has lots of holes in it. But he is no doubt better than Florial with the bat as Florial is a guaranteed out much of the time…..I just don’t see Cabrera being an everyday starter.

[Kinkotheclown]

1) Bader is a FA after the year
2) even in a “breakout” AAA season Florial had definite platoon splits
3) our top OF prospects all have questions about staying in CF vs moving to a corner
4) Oswaldo Cabrera is a better lefty hitter than righty
5) Hicks has a bad attitude to where team might view him as addition by subtraction in the clubhouse even if he still makes baseball sense here with his OBP

Laureano, with 3 years of team control, definitely makes some sense to me. It’s a good layer of depth long term.

Trade for Laureano, dump Hicks, move IKF (since Donaldson is tougher to move), give SS to Peraza

C Trevino
1B Rizzo
2B Torres
3B Donaldson
SS Peraza
LF Cabrera
CF Bader
RF Judge
DH Stanton

Bench of catcher, DJ, Laureano and Florial

Bader has serious platoon splits so let Florial take some starts in CF. Laureano can play LF for Cabrera against lefties and when Cabrera is needed at other spots.

Beyond this year you have him as depth in case Dom, Florial and/or Jones are busts

It's. cluster ****. I love the lineup you posted but 2 lefties? That's just horrible. That is such a disgraceful oversight. How the hell does the GM of the Yankees, put together a lineup with 2 lefty bats?

I don't even know anymore. I think Laureano is a sad option. Is it a move, just to make a move?
He's another righty, swing and miss guy. Yes, he can run and he's a good fielder. but he's had one good offensive season. The rest has been, meh.

They have really screwed themselves. Not only is Bader gone next year but so is Montas.
Sadly, the best thing that could happen to this team is that they play well, but lose and are sellers at the deadline.
Trade Bader, Montas, Hicks and anyone else expiring or dead weight

I think if they get another OF, they have to get a guy who hits from the left. Even if he's a bench guy.
And if you are going with a bench guy, why not just roll with Flo?

I'm not directing this at you. It's just annoying to see just how poorly constructed this team is, right now.

[Kinkotheclown]

Merry Christmas!

(I see Mush was up waiting for Santa.)

[Phoba Rama]

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2022/12/h...s.html?src=rss

I would have to agree the Yankees have the best rotation in baseball. Couple that with a very, very good bullpen and this is a good place to start.

Taking a look below, I don't see a way they can realistically improve the team except in LF.

C - Trevino
1B - Rizzo - honestly would rather someone who hits for better avg, but surprisingly he's still a top 10 1b in the league by OPS, and his defense keeps him squarely in the top 10 overall.
2B - Torres - hard to improve on
SS - Peraza/Volpe - I understand that there are options with more certainty, but personally I feel great about going into the season with these two options at SS.
3B - DJL
LF - Cabrera, Hicks. This is where they really could improve
CF - Bader, solid
RF - Judge
DH - Stanton

Bench - IKF, Donaldson, Hicks, Florial, Higashioka- Bench could definitely he better. Also, one of those guys is gonna have to go by opening day.

The only two areas I perceive as true weaknesses are LF and the Bench. If they can improve those two areas I think they will be in a very good spot.

Don't get me wrong, there are upgrades out there at every position except RF. If one of those all-star type players becomes available via trade they should go for it if the price is right. The only true holes I see right now, however, are LF and the Bench.

They really are in a good spot. Still want to see a trade for a left fielder before opening day, and still want to see them dump Hicks and Donaldson if possible though.

Merry Christmas everyone!

[johnny ny]

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2022/12/h...s.html?src=rss

I would have to agree the Yankees have the best rotation in baseball. Couple that with a very, very good bullpen and this is a good place to start.

Taking a look below, I don't see a way they can realistically improve the team except in LF.

C - Trevino
1B - Rizzo - honestly would rather someone who hits for better avg, but surprisingly he's still a top 10 1b in the league by OPS, and his defense keeps him squarely in the top 10 overall.
2B - Torres - hard to improve on
SS - Peraza/Volpe - I understand that there are options with more certainty, but personally I feel great about going into the season with these two options at SS.
3B - DJL
LF - Cabrera, Hicks. This is where they really could improve
CF - Bader, solid
RF - Judge
DH - Stanton

Bench - IKF, Donaldson, Hicks, Florial, Higashioka- Bench could definitely he better. Also, one of those guys is gonna have to go by opening day.

The only two areas I perceive as true weaknesses are LF and the Bench. If they can improve those two areas I think they will be in a very good spot.

Don't get me wrong, there are upgrades out there at every position except RF. If one of those all-star type players becomes available via trade they should go for it if the price is right. The only true holes I see right now, however, are LF and the Bench.

They really are in a good spot. Still want to see a trade for a left fielder before opening day, and still want to see them dump Hicks and Donaldson if possible though.

Merry Christmas everyone!

if they do not make a trade for a Lf the only way this current lineup can improve is if stanton has a bounce back year like he had in 2021

[dayners81]

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2022/12/h...s.html?src=rss

I would have to agree the Yankees have the best rotation in baseball. Couple that with a very, very good bullpen and this is a good place to start.

Taking a look below, I don't see a way they can realistically improve the team except in LF.

C - Trevino
1B - Rizzo - honestly would rather someone who hits for better avg, but surprisingly he's still a top 10 1b in the league by OPS, and his defense keeps him squarely in the top 10 overall.
2B - Torres - hard to improve on
SS - Peraza/Volpe - I understand that there are options with more certainty, but personally I feel great about going into the season with these two options at SS.
3B - DJL
LF - Cabrera, Hicks. This is where they really could improve
CF - Bader, solid
RF - Judge
DH - Stanton

Bench - IKF, Donaldson, Hicks, Florial, Higashioka- Bench could definitely he better. Also, one of those guys is gonna have to go by opening day.

The only two areas I perceive as true weaknesses are LF and the Bench. If they can improve those two areas I think they will be in a very good spot.

Don't get me wrong, there are upgrades out there at every position except RF. If one of those all-star type players becomes available via trade they should go for it if the price is right. The only true holes I see right now, however, are LF and the Bench.

They really are in a good spot. Still want to see a trade for a left fielder before opening day, and still want to see them dump Hicks and Donaldson if possible though.

Merry Christmas everyone!

I would agree, it's a great place to start. They are going to have to hope they get a lot of production from Volpe, Peraza, Bader and Cabrera and hope for bounce back seasons from DJ/JD and Stanton. Even though he's right handed, no shift should help Stanton quite a bit with as hard as he hits the ball on the ground. I watched him hit a lot of balls right at guys last yr that would have easily gone through if the defenders weren't positioned right there.

The Pirates don't want to trade Reynolds unless they get everything the want and more and the Yanks are going to give up 2 of their top 3 plus. At this point it makes way more sense to just go with Flo, Hicks and Ozzy. Laureano, Peralta and the other moves being thrown around seem like moves just to make moves. The guys we already have are either LH or SH so at least there is that IMO. Maybe they go with Kepler, but I'm not inclined to think he's worth Pereira and Sweeney.

At this point i think it's probably easiest to go with what they have in LF and figure out exactly what we need before the deadline. Thats a good enough lineup to win or stay at the top of the division till the deadline, when better upgrades should be available. Whatever they do this yr is probably going to be a stop gap for Dom anyways

I completely agree about the bench. I'd love to see Wells up to be the backup C, DH, 1st base and LF but that probably not realistic till at least the AS break or next yr

With the pitching and defense we have, we'll always have a chance to win all regular season. The offense needs to improve during the yr

[rrzubnyy]

I would agree, it's a great place to start. They are going to have to hope they get a lot of production from Volpe, Peraza, Bader and Cabrera and hope for bounce back seasons from DJ/JD and Stanton. Even though he's right handed, no shift should help Stanton quite a bit with as hard as he hits the ball on the ground. I watched him hit a lot of balls right at guys last yr that would have easily gone through if the defenders weren't positioned right there.

The Pirates don't want to trade Reynolds unless they get everything the want and more and the Yanks are going to give up 2 of their top 3 plus. At this point it makes way more sense to just go with Flo, Hicks and Ozzy. Laureano, Peralta and the other moves being thrown around seem like moves just to make moves. The guys we already have are either LH or SH so at least there is that IMO. Maybe they go with Kepler, but I'm not inclined to think he's worth Pereira and Sweeney.

At this point i think it's probably easiest to go with what they have in LF and figure out exactly what we need before the deadline. Thats a good enough lineup to win or stay at the top of the division till the deadline, when better upgrades should be available. Whatever they do this yr is probably going to be a stop gap for Dom anyways

I completely agree about the bench. I'd love to see Wells up to be the backup C, DH, 1st base and LF but that probably not realistic till at least the AS break or next yr

With the pitching and defense we have, we'll always have a chance to win all regular season. The offense needs to improve during the yr

It was painful when Roberto Kelly was traded for Paulie. Kelly was homegrown and the first of the young Yankees starting in the 1990s. But trades are meant to be painful. But if you want a Reynolds then expect pain.

What is hilarious is Cashman can’t replicate what Gene Michael did in the 1990s. He has more money, more scouts, more computers with better technology and yet all he has to show is Aaron Judge.

The Yankees at times need to just be the Yankees and sign that particular SS for 7/177 or 12/289 or whatever it costs. Cashman will never replicate Gene Michael with regards to the Core 4+Bernie, or make trades for David Cone or a Tino Martinez and a Jeff Nelson. He knew when to trade young players in Sterling Hitchcock and Russ Davis for Tino and Nellie as he kept Andy Pettitte as at one point Hitchcock was ahead of Andy in the pecking order.

Cashman needs to move some specs and get a damn LFer!

[dayners81]

Everyone take this with a big grain of salt.

We were told by a guy who was at dinner with Cashman 3 days ago ( he's got pics to prove it), that the big move they are were working on was Trout.

Apparently it's becoming very similar to the Stanton situation. With Ohtani very unlikely to resign, the other bad deals on the books like Rendon, their inability to develop talent and Moreno selling the team, Trout wants out. He has a full N/T clause and the power within that team/ league to force a trade.

With Ohtani going, the Angels are looking to cut payroll and add young, cheap assets, which make them more attractive to purchase for a new owner. With Trout wanting a chance to win, he's absolutely not interested in sticking around for another rebuild.

Trout is a Jersey kid as we know and he lives there in the off season and would like to be closer to home to have a chance to win. Apparently he has interest in 3 teams Philly, Mets and Yankees and has put feelers out to each. With his back issues and long term outlook, the Angels would have to be willing to pickup a lot of the contract, probably 7-10M AAV for either of those teams to take him on. Those teams would also have o be able to insure the remaining portion of the deal, at least the Yanks and Philly, there is speculation to get Trout, Cohen would be willing to take him on without insuring the remain portion of his deal.

This is a very, very complicated deal for any team because of the contract size, back concerns and insurance issues, so this isn't a deal that will be put together quickly. There is a ton of due diligence to do on his medicals before the deal would take place.

This could be something that happens in ST or may even wait till the deadline, if it happens. If Ohtani gets moved or when he gets moved that would signal that Trout is likely to be on the move.

I was not told if the Yanks were the favorites, in fact Philly probably get the first shot because Trout has a very close relationship with Harper and Turner. The only thing i know for fairly certain is this is something we have talked about and a ton of behind the scenes work/ due diligence on this.

Take it for whatever it's worth, but it's interesting