Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[Kinkotheclown]

I agree he's not done yet.

Is it now acceptable to accuse the Mets of buying a championship as Met fans accused Yankees of doing for years?

Absolutely! And I applaud them for it.

With that said, Alonso, Ninmo, McNeil, Nido, Alvarez, Guilorme and then guys who saw limited time, like Baty, Vientos are all from their system. Next year, Alvarez is the projected starter, so 1B, CF, 2B and C will all be from their farm.

Yankees as of now have Judge and Torres as starters with Cabrera and Peraza as possibilities.
Mets keep bringing up young talent. Yankees keep trying to buy it. So one could argue that the Yankees are still trying to buy a title but doing it in a disorganized and poor fashion.

As I said in another post, what is nuts is the the Mets farm ranked 5th. They are doing something right.

Doc, I have zero issue buying talent, provided you also use your own. That is where the Yankees have fallen far behind teams like the Braves, Astros and now seemingly Mets.

[EAGLES3658]

Yankees pitching is better.

Offensively they are the sane or possibly worse.

I think Cohen can and will continue to spend. Unlike Hal, he will run the team like a team. He is really smart IMO. He is spending. They will win. People will buy TONS of merchandise. The Mets will make tons of money and he will simply reinvest.

What's scarier is their farm ranked 5th. If they continue to develop young players, they will always have a cheap influx of talent or the ability to trade for controlled young talent. Also, aside from Lindor and Correa, everyone is off the books in the next few years.

Really? You think the lineup you posted for the Mets is the same or worse than the Yanks? Yanks have the best overall player but other than that, the Marte lineup is good top to bottom. Much more balanced and deep than the Yankees.

[Kinkotheclown]

This is what I worry about but after years of the Wilpons doing nothing like you said, I'm not complaining.

I don't know, you guys have a really good farm. The only two players truly locked up long term are Lindor and Correa.
When Jet Williams is ready, you move Lindor to 2B. You have Baty to take over LF.

To me, the Mets look set up for quite a while. The only thing they will need to spend on is pitching. Consdireeing both Verlander and Scherzer will be off the books in a few years, they can simple wait and reload.

[Kinkotheclown]

Really? You think the lineup you posted for the Mets is the same or worse than the Yanks? Yanks have the best overall player but other than that, the Marte lineup is good top to bottom. Much more balanced and deep than the Yankees.

Oh lord, the Mets lineup is wayyyyyy better. Both lefty -righty but also what was the lowest AVG? 255?
They won't hit a zillion HRs but they will get runs in and do it in bunches.

I meant the Yankees this year coming up compared to last year is the same or a little weaker.

[EAGLES3658]

Oh lord, the Mets lineup is wayyyyyy better. Both lefty -righty but also what was the lowest AVG? 255?
They won't hit a zillion HRs but they will get runs in and do it in bunches.

I meant the Yankees this year coming up compared to last year is the same or a little weaker.

Oh I gotcha. But yeah agreed. I see Judge regressing (kinda obvious, no one is sustaining that level of play from last year), I can’t see Rizzo, DJ, or Stanton getting better with age so I’d pencil them in for about the same production or slightly worse. In theory, Torres could establish/break out again but he’s too inconsistent to really count on that. Trevino is not a good hitter and they just have to live with that for his defense. Bader is an average hitter. That’s 7/9 spots and all the same guys from last year at the end of the season. Have to imagine there’s going to be someone new in LF so we shall wait and see for that one. Peraza could be an upgrade at SS but I think people are quick to write that one off as a massive upgrade before knowing. It’s important to remember that both Peraza and Volpe started last season in the minors terribly. Both were trash, they are no sure things to be good from day 1. It may take time or may not happen at all. Point is, is there one single spot in the lineup that has been upgraded since the end of the season? Seems like there’s way more potential for the lineup to be worse than to be better at this point.

[Kinkotheclown]

Oh I gotcha. But yeah agreed. I see Judge regressing (kinda obvious, no one is sustaining that level of play from last year), I can’t see Rizzo, DJ, or Stanton getting better with age so I’d pencil them in for about the same production or slightly worse. In theory, Torres could establish/break out again but he’s too inconsistent to really count on that. Trevino is not a good hitter and they just have to live with that for his defense. Bader is an average hitter. That’s 7/9 spots and all the same guys from last year at the end of the season. Have to imagine there’s going to be someone new in LF so we shall wait and see for that one. Peraza could be an upgrade at SS but I think people are quick to write that one off as a massive upgrade before knowing. It’s important to remember that both Peraza and Volpe started last season in the minors terribly. Both were trash, they are no sure things to be good from day 1. It may take time or may not happen at all. Point is, is there one single spot in the lineup that has been upgraded since the end of the season? Seems like there’s way more potential for the lineup to be worse than to be better at this point.

This is the issue with the Yankees. They need to give Peraza/Volpe the chance to fail and then succeed.
In Peraza's case, they need to be very clear, it's ok if you hit like crap to start. The job is yours provided you play elite D. We trust the bat will come.
They need to remove the pressure. That's what good organizations do. They surround young talent with high level, veteran, talent. The Yankees have some of that. I think they are actually in a position for the first time in many years, to cultivate young talent. The issue is patience. They have shown it to an extent with Torres, so hopefully they can do the same with the guys in the system.
It's actually why as much as I hate the thought, I am growing more and more open to Hicks being the LF. He won't block the next kid. They will move him off the spot

Bader is average at best with the bat.
Rizzo will probably see a 25-30 point jump in his average. 260/350/ 800
I agree about Trevino. That was the proverbial, lighting in a bottle. His D will be great but I think we saw the best of his offense. With that said, he may be very streaky.
I expect a solid offensive year from DJ- 280+/350 750

If everyone plays to their cards, the offense should be solid but not great.

[YANKSGUY]

Im holding out hope that this can be our starting lineup in 2 years.

Dom LF
Jones CF
Judge RT
Ohtani DH
Devers 3rd
Peraza SS
Volpe 2nd
Munetaka Murakam 1st
Wells/Trevino C

Money saved to get Devers and Ohtani is by trading Stanton and Torres and Cole opts out and doesnt get resigned.

You should save that joke for April Fools day.

[Mr Costanza]

This is what I worry about but after years of the Wilpons doing nothing like you said, I'm not complaining.

100% it’s not your money.

[Mr Costanza]

You should save that joke for April Fools day.

Normally I wouldnt agree with you but ohtani is not coming here.

Completely unrealistic thought that will not happen.

[EAGLES3658]

This is the issue with the Yankees. They need to give Peraza/Volpe the chance to fail and then succeed.
In Peraza's case, they need to be very clear, it's ok if you hit like crap to start. The job is yours provided you play elite D. We trust the bat will come.
They need to remove the pressure. That's what good organizations do. They surround young talent with high level, veteran, talent. The Yankees have some of that. I think they are actually in a position for the first time in many years, to cultivate young talent. The issue is patience. They have shown it to an extent with Torres, so hopefully they can do the same with the guys in the system.
It's actually why as much as I hate the thought, I am growing more and more open to Hicks being the LF. He won't block the next kid. They will move him off the spot

Bader is average at best with the bat.
Rizzo will probably see a 25-30 point jump in his average. 260/350/ 800
I agree about Trevino. That was the proverbial, lighting in a bottle. His D will be great but I think we saw the best of his offense. With that said, he may be very streaky.
I expect a solid offensive year from DJ- 280+/350 750

If everyone plays to their cards, the offense should be solid but not great.

For sure, it’s a regular season offense. They’ll score a ton of runs in the regular season. They just aren’t built for the playoffs. I agree they need to let Peraza and Volpe play and continue to play for a while no matter how bad they are doing just for development reasons. But that’s what doesn’t make sense, they give Judge and Rodon all this money to win now but their largest need is offense and their only hope is that two prospects turn into all stars from season 1? Just doesn’t make sense. The Yankees put all their eggs into one basket and now must try to win within the next two years. Yet, the team is largely unchanged.

[YANKSGUY]

Why is Jeter at Judges press conference? Did i mis something?

[OhSoSlick]

Why is Jeter at Judges press conference? Did i mis something?

Yeah, they named Judge the next Captain.

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[EAGLES3658]

Why is Jeter at Judges press conference? Did i mis something?

Yeah, they’re bringing Jeter back for one more run. They think he’s an upgrade on IKF.

[YANKSGUY]

Yeah, they named Judge the next Captain.

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I KNOW that. That didn't require him to be there. Just curious.

[YANKSGUY]

Yeah, they’re bringing Jeter back for one more run. They think he’s an upgrade on IKF.

Probably would be.