Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[dayners81]

Personally,

Peraza
Lindor
Seager
Turner
Xander
Correa



From Lindor down that's my order

I'd take Peraza defensively from day 1 over any of them on that list

[spliff(TONE)]

2021 Statistics: .279/.366/.485 with 26 home runs, 92 RBIs, 75 walks, .850 OPS, 131 OPS+, 20 defensive runs saved, 12 outs above average and a 5.8 fWAR.

Those stats put him in the top spot, ahead of Tatis Jr. , Turner, Seager and Bogearts.

You may want to look again, as those stats do not put Correa in the top spot. Tatis Jr., Turner, and Crawford all ranked ahead of him in their '21 production. The one stat I see him leading the pack in is BB% (not to mention that his fWAR was actually 6.2, not the 5.8 that you stated).

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...ter=&players=0

[drt1010]

I don't think anyone is saying Correa isn't a good player, but considering the injury issues with the back that don't improve with age, is Correa the guy you want to commit 12plus yrs to at a minimum of 30m AAV. Is Correa the guy Judge want to hook his wagon to for the rest of his career? Thats what we're talking about if u sign Correa, he would be Robin to Judges Batman for the rest of their careers. Is Correa the best addition we can make for the next 4-5 yrs? I'm not sure about that ones

Does Correa above any other give us the best shot at multiple WS with Judge for the rest of their careers.

If I could get Correa on the same deal he signed last yr, it's a different conversation, IMO

If one looks at it objectively and NOT subjectively Imo the answer to many of your questions is YES. You are getting one of the best SS in the game during his prime production.

Judge wants to win, Correa wants to win, that is the only objective imo.

[dayners81]

If one looks at it objectively and NOT subjectively Imo the answer to many of your questions is YES. You are getting one of the best SS in the game during his prime production.

Judge wants to win, Correa wants to win, that is the only objective imo.

Correa is the best, most logical player you think they can acquire to win chips with Judge? Better than a Devers? better than any available FA in the next 4-5yrs? and u find him worth 30M plus a yr for 12yrs? even if he's likely to move off SS?

The truly funny thing is, the Yankees aren't interested in him for SS, it would be for 3rd base.

If I'm committing that much money for the rest of Judges career, I'd want to add a LH hitter to balance the lineup.

After speaking to that scout last night, I would rather see Torres/ Volpe playing 2nd and 3rd vs Correa. Correas not 25m a yr better than Torres, IMO especially if its not at SS.

[johnny ny]

Correa is the best, most logical player you think they can acquire to win chips with Judge? Better than a Devers? better than any available FA in the next 4-5yrs? and u find him worth 30M plus a yr for 12yrs? even if he's likely to move off SS?

The truly funny thing is, the Yankees aren't interested in him for SS, it would be for 3rd base.

If I'm committing that much money for the rest of Judges career, I'd want to add a LH hitter to balance the lineup.

After speaking to that scout last night, I would rather see Torres/ Volpe playing 2nd and 3rd vs Correa. Correas not 25m a yr better than Torres, IMO especially if its not at SS.

i agree about correa lets do all we can to see what will it take to pry tatis away from the padres!!

[dayners81]

i agree about correa lets do all we can to see what will it take to pry tatis away from the padres!!

ok, now I know i'm off somewhere if u agree with me..

[EAGLES3658]

If the Yankees got Correa, I highly doubt they would say, "hey, we are moving you to third because we have an unproven rookie who has solidified the SS spot." Correa was a platinum glove winner just two seasons ago, that defense at SS would be a huge part of what you are paying for. Now a move in a few years? Sure, makes sense.

After seeing those numbers it actually makes Correa look even more impressive IMO. Swanson is one of the top SS in WAR over the last three years despite only having a 109 wRC+. Shows how hard it is to find a great all around SS. Also, it is funny to hear about injury concerns with Correa but people were completely fine with giving Judge a 9 year deal and are bullish on the Yankees offense led by Judge and Stanton. Correa checks a lot of boxes including some intangibles such as performing in the playoffs in the biggest games and having a strong mental fortitude. I don't love him as a $300M type player. But if Bogaerts gets roughly that, then Correa is absolutely worth it as well.

[drt1010]

Correa is the best, most logical player you think they can acquire to win chips with Judge? Better than a Devers? better than any available FA in the next 4-5yrs? and u find him worth 30M plus a yr for 12yrs? even if he's likely to move off SS?

The truly funny thing is, the Yankees aren't interested in him for SS, it would be for 3rd base.

If I'm committing that much money for the rest of Judges career, I'd want to add a LH hitter to balance the lineup.

After speaking to that scout last night, I would rather see Torres/ Volpe playing 2nd and 3rd vs Correa. Correas not 25m a yr better than Torres, IMO especially if its not at SS.

...and you believe Peraza is a savior. I don't, or will reserve judgement until he has more than 18 games and 57 ML AB's on his resume. I agree Correa isn't 25M better than Torres, but he is a ML proven and tested SS, he has an impressive resume' that puts him near the top of MLB SS. The Yankees window is closing. Judge's prime is nearing a peak. I am tired of waiting.

Truth is Correa wouldn't be my first choice, I liked Turner. I defend Correa because I believe he gets trashed without basis at times. I just want to win some time soon!

[drt1010]

If the Yankees got Correa, I highly doubt they would say, "hey, we are moving you to third because we have an unproven rookie who has solidified the SS spot." Correa was a platinum glove winner just two seasons ago, that defense at SS would be a huge part of what you are paying for. Now a move in a few years? Sure, makes sense.

After seeing those numbers it actually makes Correa look even more impressive IMO. Swanson is one of the top SS in WAR over the last three years despite only having a 109 wRC+. Shows how hard it is to find a great all around SS. Also, it is funny to hear about injury concerns with Correa but people were completely fine with giving Judge a 9 year deal and are bullish on the Yankees offense led by Judge and Stanton. Correa checks a lot of boxes including some intangibles such as performing in the playoffs in the biggest games and having a strong mental fortitude. I don't love him as a $300M type player. But if Bogaerts gets roughly that, then Correa is absolutely worth it as well.

[dayners81]

...and you believe Peraza is a savior. I don't, or will reserve judgement until he has more than 18 games and 57 ML AB's on his resume. I agree Correa isn't 25M better than Torres, but he is a ML proven and tested SS, he has an impressive resume' that puts him near the top of MLB SS. The Yankees window is closing. Judge's prime is nearing a peak. I am tired of waiting.

Truth is Correa wouldn't be my first choice, I liked Turner. I defend Correa because I believe he gets trashed without basis at times. I just want to win some time soon!

I do think Peraza is that good defensively. He's right on par, if not with a better arm than Pena.

The only interest the Yankees have expressed interest in Correa is for 3rd base. U posted that, not me.

U seem to be under the impression it's me pulling this out of my arse about them wanting to go with Peraza over anyone else at SS. If they were going to sign Correa as a SS, they would have done it last yr when the need was much greater and the market was more favorable.

From Hal's own mouth, he said he see Volpe AND Peraza up the middle as soon as possible.

What didn't Peraza do in his time at the MLB level that wasn't good enough to believe he earned a shot at SS?

[spliff(TONE)]

If the Yankees got Correa, I highly doubt they would say, "hey, we are moving you to third because we have an unproven rookie who has solidified the SS spot." Correa was a platinum glove winner just two seasons ago, that defense at SS would be a huge part of what you are paying for. Now a move in a few years? Sure, makes sense.

Bingo.

[dayners81]

If the Yankees got Correa, I highly doubt they would say, "hey, we are moving you to third because we have an unproven rookie who has solidified the SS spot." Correa was a platinum glove winner just two seasons ago, that defense at SS would be a huge part of what you are paying for. Now a move in a few years? Sure, makes sense.

After seeing those numbers it actually makes Correa look even more impressive IMO. Swanson is one of the top SS in WAR over the last three years despite only having a 109 wRC+. Shows how hard it is to find a great all around SS. Also, it is funny to hear about injury concerns with Correa but people were completely fine with giving Judge a 9 year deal and are bullish on the Yankees offense led by Judge and Stanton. Correa checks a lot of boxes including some intangibles such as performing in the playoffs in the biggest games and having a strong mental fortitude. I don't love him as a $300M type player. But if Bogaerts gets roughly that, then Correa is absolutely worth it as well.

Correa has chronic lower back issue and if you look at the build, with the very long torso, that screams of things to come. Ask the Doctor and PT guys on here about that one.

Yes Judge is an injury concern because of his size, but his injuries have been random, not chronic. He also hasn't had any injuries since they brought in Cressey to change his training routine.

Apples and Oranges

[drt1010]

I do think Peraza is that good defensively. He's right on par, if not with a better arm than Pena.

The only interest the Yankees have expressed interest in Correa is for 3rd base. U posted that, not me.

U seem to be under the impression it's me pulling this out of my arse about them wanting to go with Peraza over anyone else at SS. If they were going to sign Correa as a SS, they would have done it last yr when the need was much greater and the market was more favorable.

From Hal's own mouth, he said he see Volpe AND Peraza up the middle as soon as possible.

What didn't Peraza do in his time at the MLB level that wasn't good enough to believe he earned a shot at SS?

I have no reason to doubt you. I trust your opinion implicitly. I just have a different view of the rooks than you. I see the Yankees history and track record with prospects and immediately take a "show me" perspective. It's not what he didn't do, it's the SSS that I take issue with. I am taking a wait and see perspective. We have all had our hearts broken and hopes dashed too often. I would like to see a full ML seasons performance before crowning him the heir apparent. Same with Volpe, Dom and the rest. Or at the very least a sample size greater than 18 games.

Hal. The bean counter. The bottom line guy. The guy who "seems" to have forgotten the many lessons George taught him. Hal is NOT a chip off the old block. Winning isn't everything as it was to George, it was his life blood. Hal it's more about the ledger. I would expect him to take a cheaper route with the middle infield. If the rooks perform ok he's more than willing to save the money. So I find little credibility in his endorsement of the IF arrangements. As always I hope I am dead wrong. I only want to win. I am tired of waiting and in my mind the rooks are a concession to the bottom line and a step backwards.

[dayners81]

I have no reason to doubt you. I trust your opinion implicitly. I just have a different view of the rooks than you. I see the Yankees history and track record with prospects and immediately take a "show me" perspective. It's not what he didn't do, it's the SSS that I take issue with. I am taking a wait and see perspective. We have all had our hearts broken and hopes dashed too often. I would like to see a full ML seasons performance before crowning him the heir apparent. Same with Volpe, Dom and the rest. Or at the very least a sample size greater than 18 games.

Hal. The bean counter. The bottom line guy. The guy who "seems" to have forgotten the many lessons George taught him. Hal is NOT a chip off the old block. Winning isn't everything as it was to George, it was his life blood. Hal it's more about the ledger. I would expect him to take a cheaper route with the middle infield. If the rooks perform ok he's more than willing to save the money. So I find little credibility in his endorsement of the IF arrangements. As always I hope I am dead wrong. I only want to win. I am tired of waiting and in my mind the rooks are a concession to the bottom line and a step backwards.

Doc, just for my own clarification what rookie are u referring to? Pre 2015 was bad, no doubt, but it's been a completely different system since
I would call what Sanchez did his 1st 2 yrs, a huge success.
Bird was a success till the injuries hit.
Judge huge success overall, but had an MVP caliber rookie yr.
Torres was a success his first few season, the position change is what sent him backward.
Andujar was probably our best all around hitter on the team his rookie yr
Even Frazier had a big 2020 and was ranked as a top 10 RF following the yr.
Even Cabrera was on pace for a 5WAR season over 150 games.
Peraza, SSS, played elite defense and hit .300

Tyler Austin sucked, but wasn't a top spec. Flo didn't get a real shot, but I'm not sure it would have mattered. Point being since Sanchez, they have done extremely well, with position specs contributing big time in their first couple seasons

I've got 3 guys in Volpe, Dom and Peraza, who IMO are as or more talented than any of the above guys, other than Judge. I've got 2 more in Jones and Arias, who are much farther away, that IMO have the highest ceilings of anyone in our entire system

I have 2 kids in Volpe and Peraza, both top 40 overall guys, contributing this yr, with Dom likely being the following yr. Thats it, I'm not certain another position spec cracks this roster in as a starter for the next 2-3yrs

The Yankees have had very good success with young position player their 1st couple yrs especially. I see nothing in Volpe or Peraza's tools, skill level, talent or attitudes that lead me to believe they won't be successful immediately.

The payroll is 266 as it stands right now. Unless Hal had a exorcism while he was meeting the pope, he's not going to spend 320m on payroll this yr. Have to have some youth making 1m a yr, to fill in around all the guys making 15m plus a yr

[dayners81]

Rosenthal: "The Yankees, Rangers, Blue Jays, Rays and Marlins are among the teams chasing young outfielders in trades. So are the Reds, as I explain in the item below. But with the Diamondbacks seeking major-league-ready help, it’s difficult to see how the Reds could entice them"
Rosenthal: "Yes, [PIT is} willing to entertain moving center fielder Bryan Reynolds, if only because clubs are almost always willing to listen to trade offers. Teams interested in Reynolds, however, say the price tag is similar to what it was in the past — exceedingly high."
Rosenthal: "The Diamondbacks, on the other hand, seem likely to trade one of their left-handed hitting center fielders — Daulton Varsho, Alek Thomas or Jake McCarthy (as reported earlier, Corbin Carroll, the most highly regarded of their emerging outfielders, is not in play)"