Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[Kinkotheclown]

I respectfully disagree about one point.

They would have won had the hit with RISP. Their offense lost them the series.

Astros cheated and that is a big advantage but the Yankees had plenty of chances and what a shock!? They didn't come through

[YANKSGUY]

If Boone is back I’m going to the Rays. I can’t handle anothern100 win season only to get derailed in Oct.

So you would rather have an 86 win season and an early out. Ok....see you in a few minutes.

[rrzubnyy]

On October 3, 2017, the Yankees played their first playoff game of the “Baby Bomber” era. The lineup was as follows:

Brett Gardner, LF
Aaron Judge, RF
Gary Sánchez, C
Didi Gregorius, SS
Starlin Castro, 2B
Greg Bird, 1B
Aaron Hicks, CF
Jacoby Ellsbury, DH
Todd Frazier, 3B
Luis Severino had the ball.

They nearly won the ALCS and would have if not for the Astros cheating and who knows perhaps, they might have won the World Series. Nearly every player on the current roster is analytically better than that team and Judge was better, so how is it that we looked so mediocre in 2022.

It all starts with lineup construction with the whole being better than the sum of the parts. Forgetting the names, here's the lineup. L-R-R-L-R-L-S-L-R. Total balance with 4 L, 4 R and 1 S. Also, a balance of youth and experience with 3 Rookie to 2-year players (Judge, Sanchez and Bird), 3 players young enough to be under team control prior to free agency (Didi, Starlin and Hicks) and 3 veterans (Gardy, Ellie and Todd).

5 years later in 2022, the lineup was nothing like that with the majority being RH. Cabrera is the only one in the rookie category, while depending on who's playing that day, we could have 4-7 of these 9 veterans in the lineup (Judge, Stanton, Rizzo, Donaldson, DJ, Carpenter, Hicks, Benny, Higgy), one to two players with only one year of control left (Bader and IKF) and zero to two players with a couple of years control left (Torres, Trevino).

I don’t think we were mediocre in 2022. When we were 63-28 we were probably playing a little over our head. But during the 28-40 stretch we played well below par.

I think we were a 105 win team at best. That brutal stretch took its toll.

When we lost Carpy and Big Mike and then King the team started to flounder. The starting pitching came back to,earth, the bullie was ordinary and blew many July games, the hitting was mainly cool,what should have been a 15 game bad stretched morphed into 70 games. The 100 win season was out of reach. Then the trades didn’t deliver one ounce of anything. Benny, gets hurt, Montas is ineffective and then hurt, Bader was out most of the summer, Effross gets hurt. A bad 2nd half just took it toll and they really never fully recovered. If they came out of that bad stretch say in 20 games and then played .550 ball rest of the way then 105-108 wins was the high mark. And then facing Houston with homefield could have changed everything as the team would have probably been a better product coming into the playoffs.

But this is on Boone for not pulling out of a death spiral that only ended by good luck.

[rrzubnyy]

So you would rather have an 86 win season and an early out. Ok....see you in a few minutes.

Blowing some steam.

[rrzubnyy]

I've been threatening to change teams for the last couple years but I just can't do it. The Yankees are in my DNA. I would switch to the Mets but that would feel like full betrayal of my ancestors who watched Babe and Lou, DiMaggio and Yogi, Mantle and Maris, Gator and Reggie, Donnie Baseball, Jeets, Mariano. I would probably give up following all sports before changing teams.

But I absolutely fking hate this front office and their Corporate Hal philosophy. Everything is just above average. They make the playoffs every year with this bland - good but not great - team and as long as the fans keep buying the product they're happy raking in the money.
But the pinstripes are losing its sheen to the players and fans are slowly following. I think if they let Judge walk they are telling the fans that we obviously don't count. They are proving that we are consumer drones who follow a brand not baseball heroes. Maybe they're right. Most of us just play mini-GM and aren't consumed with the romanticism of baseball heroics. Much as I hate the Dodgers, that moment when Kirk Gibson limped off the bench and hit that homer was iconic. But people don't root for heroes so much as they support brands.

Ehh, Hal's Yankees make me sick. I'm going to devote myself to supporting petitions to get him to sell.

We need a full on fan revolt.

I never left during the 82 season and that year was brutal as ever. The 82 team was worst than some of those 1990-1991 teams because the 82 team had a formidable roster. They just changed too much and never jelled as a team. Reggie left and they brought in speed guys but they were heading towards their decline years. But they still had players to win 90+.

I only threatened to leave. I don’t even know who the Rays rotation even is. How can I be a fan of them?

[drt1010]

I've been threatening to change teams for the last couple years but I just can't do it. The Yankees are in my DNA. I would switch to the Mets but that would feel like full betrayal of my ancestors who watched Babe and Lou, DiMaggio and Yogi, Mantle and Maris, Gator and Reggie, Donnie Baseball, Jeets, Mariano. I would probably give up following all sports before changing teams.

But I absolutely fking hate this front office and their Corporate Hal philosophy. Everything is just above average. They make the playoffs every year with this bland - good but not great - team and as long as the fans keep buying the product they're happy raking in the money.
But the pinstripes are losing its sheen to the players and fans are slowly following. I think if they let Judge walk they are telling the fans that we obviously don't count. They are proving that we are consumer drones who follow a brand not baseball heroes. Maybe they're right. Most of us just play mini-GM and aren't consumed with the romanticism of baseball heroics. Much as I hate the Dodgers, that moment when Kirk Gibson limped off the bench and hit that homer was iconic. But people don't root for heroes so much as they support brands.

Ehh, Hal's Yankees make me sick. I'm going to devote myself to supporting petitions to get him to sell.

We need a full on fan revolt.

Where do I sign? I have been considering a similar campaign. Sell the team Hal!

Is Steve Cohen allowed to own two teams in the same city?

[johnnyi]

Where do I sign? I have been considering a similar campaign. Sell the team Hal!

Is Steve Cohen allowed to own two teams in the same city?

It would have to be his twin brother, if he has one, because Steve is a big Mets fan. He'd raid all our best players and trade us back their worst one.

[johnnyi]

I don’t think we were mediocre in 2022. When we were 63-28 we were probably playing a little over our head. But during the 28-40 stretch we played well below par.

I think we were a 105 win team at best. That brutal stretch took its toll.

When we lost Carpy and Big Mike and then King the team started to flounder. The starting pitching came back to,earth, the bullie was ordinary and blew many July games, the hitting was mainly cool,what should have been a 15 game bad stretched morphed into 70 games. The 100 win season was out of reach. Then the trades didn’t deliver one ounce of anything. Benny, gets hurt, Montas is ineffective and then hurt, Bader was out most of the summer, Effross gets hurt. A bad 2nd half just took it toll and they really never fully recovered. If they came out of that bad stretch say in 20 games and then played .550 ball rest of the way then 105-108 wins was the high mark. And then facing Houston with homefield could have changed everything as the team would have probably been a better product coming into the playoffs.

But this is on Boone for not pulling out of a death spiral that only ended by good luck.

I meant mediocre in the 2022 playoffs, not over the course of the whole season. Then in the answer to the question, I cite the fact that the lineup construction is part of the problem.

[drt1010]

Bryan Hoch
@BryanHoch
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16h
Derek Jeter’s reaction to the Yankees viewing 2004 ALCS highlights:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1585422104581009408

[jango2000]

Where do I sign? I have been considering a similar campaign. Sell the team Hal!

Is Steve Cohen allowed to own two teams in the same city?

Haha! I was thinking the same thing! I wonder if Steve Cohen has a brother?

[Kinkotheclown]

Bryan Hoch
@BryanHoch
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16h
Derek Jeter’s reaction to the Yankees viewing 2004 ALCS highlights:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1585422104581009408

Now that's an answer! That is one of the best, "no comments" you will ever see.

[dayners81]

I was told to expect the Yankees to heavily pursue Jose Quintana as their top FA pitcher.

They really like the groundballs and soft contact he mostly gives up. He was someone they were interested in at the deadline.

Makes perfect sense, Cashman trades the 2 best LH pitchers we developed in yrs in the same deal. Then he is going to go after the guy he left unprotected in the rule V, that turned into a great #2 for the White Soxs. Now he wants him back after 10yrs when he's on the down hill side of his career.. Parade, for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnnyi]

I was told to expect the Yankees to heavily pursue Jose Quintana as their top FA pitcher.

They really like the groundballs and soft contact he mostly gives up. He was someone they were interested in at the deadline.

Makes perfect sense, Cashman trades the 2 best LH pitchers we developed in yrs in the same deal. Then he is going to go after the guy he left unprotected in the rule V, that turned into a great #2 for the White Soxs. Now he wants him back after 10yrs when he's on the down hill side of his career.. Parade, for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was actually thinking they might go after him, if they can't get Rodon. I also have the same concerns about his age, etc. We tend to time things wrong. We got Randy Johnson at the end of his career, but we might need to wait a couple of years for Verlander to be on the decline. LOL.

[Webslinger]

I was actually thinking they might go after him, if they can't get Rodon. I also have the same concerns about his age, etc. We tend to time things wrong. We got Randy Johnson at the end of his career, but we might need to wait a couple of years for Verlander to be on the decline. LOL.

Cashman isn't interested in Rodon at all.

[Webslinger]

@Runner

Harper could have gone straight to centerfield for us, but he was blocked by Hicks.