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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    It's really not as significant of a difference as you're trying to make it out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    So Chad Green to Toronto?

    Way to go Chapman!

    Idiot!
    Green likely won't pitch till very late this yr if all. We absolutely didn't need him when we have many, many other that can do tha job for a fraction of the cost
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Green likely won't pitch till very late this yr if all. We absolutely didn't need him when we have many, many other that can do tha job for a fraction of the cost
    The irony of calling someone an idiot, while simultaneously calling them by the wrong name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    We've being told the Yankees plan on aggressively shopping Torres, IKF, JD and Hicks from now till the end of ST. They absolutely want to move at least 2 of those 3 INFs.

    Also sounds like internally( if they can't find a LH, LF option between now and ST) they are basically planning on Cabrera being the starter in LF and 1 other interesting note. They plan on giving Cabrera a shot to lead off against RH pitchers. He's already been in Tampa and has added some strength, weight and bat speed and has looked fantastic

    Cashman is looking for a high prospect return for Torres, they aren't looking to get an MLB player back for him. They want prospect to build up the farm so they have more ammo for the trade deadline. They aren't going to give Torres away and if they could move the other 2 INF, they would likely be willing to keep Torres till the deadline.
    Minaya and Sabean he weighed in on the 2b situation and they believe the future at 2nd base is Volpe. They have also expressed concern that Torres could easily revert into the poor offensive player he was in 20-21 and lose a ton of value he built back last yr. They have expressed concern that if they don't trade him before they star of the season, Torres will likely struggle with all the talk of Volpe being the future at 2nd. He struggled for a month after being talked about in trade rumors last yr, hows he going to preform with Volpe becoming more and more ready everyday?

    They have also expressed concern that they are worried he will rub off on Peraza and Cabrera since they are already close coming from the same country and them viewing Torres as a mentor.

    I guess we'll see who has more pull, the anals teams which are predicting a very good yr for Torres and the new A. GM's.

    Cashman is looking for 1 top 100 type prospect, plus another top 10 spec for IKF. Shockingly, no one is jumping to give that kinda haul back for IKF. We were told that the asking will likely go down the closer opening day comes around.

    There is talk that if they can't move Hicks and JD, Hal maybe willing to just DFA 1or both. Cash is convinced that they will find takers for at least 1 of them.

    The scenario that was mentioned was if DJ is 100% and Volpe continue to impress in ST, that Hal would ok DFAing JD. They see DJ, who was equally as good defensively as JD at 3rd last yr, almost exclusively as a 3rd/1st baseman moving forward. DJ no longer has the range needed, especially with the shift being gone, to cover 2nd base consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Thank you!
    Ill show you all in a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Green likely won't pitch till very late this yr if all. We absolutely didn't need him when we have many, many other that can do tha job for a fraction of the cost
    But he will be there down the stretch. And I guarantee you he will be facing thenYankees in September in a probable meaningful game where he kicks out *** while Ill cheaper relievers get their head delivered on a platter by Bichette, Vladdy and Co.

    $8 million is cheap Day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Ill show you all in a few.
    Show us what?
    1+1 doesn't equal 2?

    You are arguing with numbers and historical numerical facts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ohsoslick View Post
    the irony of calling someone an idiot, while simultaneously calling them by the wrong name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    You need to go look at those rotations.
    96-Cone and Petite were amazing but the rest were mid 4s, mid 5 and mid 6 ERA
    97- Cone and Petite were amazing but the rest had era's of mid 4s and one had 5+
    98 was really good but you still had 2 pitchers with 4+ ERA
    99 the only sub 4 ERA was Cone
    2000- Clemmons was the only sub 4 ERA. Petite and El Duque were mid 4, Cone was almost 7 and Neagle was 5.8


    Last year, Every yankee starter was below a 4 ERA. (Except Montas if you just take his team as a yankee) So adding Rodon makes them even better and longer. That is provided the huge "IF" comes to pass and they stay healthy.


    The difference between then and now is not the rotation. It is the pen
    Mo, Stanton, Nelson, Loyd and Mendoza were bullpen staples and all, really good for a 5 year period.
    IMO this rotation this yr has the chance to be better than any of those rotations. Cole and Rodon have the potential to be better than any rotation we've seen, including the dynasty yrs.

    Where this rotation has a chance to be truly special is with the 3/4/5 spots

    Nestor has become a borderline Ace. He's been the Yankees best regular season pitcher for most of the past 2 seasons. He's still unproven in the playoffs, but if he can repeat last season that 3 legit Aces in my book

    Sevy is in his walk yr, with an elite season and he stays healthy, he could easily pitch his way into a Rodon like contract. If he has an avg season and misses a bunch of time he'll likely end up having to take a prove it type deal.
    Last yr when he was healthy Sevy had the best stuff f his career. His CU looks plus or better and the cutter was a serviceable pitch for him. If Sevy can have anything close to his early seasons he could be in the conversation of the CY Young.

    All 4 could pitch to and ERA below 3 and win 15 plus games. I also really like the personality mix, I could see all 4 pitching up and competing with each other.

    You know who would be a perfect #5 Waldichuk..

    Despite looking like the worst trade of Cashmans career, I still have high hopes for Montas. We've never seen him healthy and the woman that raised him passed away 10 days before we traded him. I think we could all admit that our heads wouldn't be on baseball after suddenly losing the person that raised you.

    Montas never stays healthy for the entire seasons, he's injury prone. He also is in a walk yr and lost a ton of money with his poor performance here. If missing this time gets him back to 100% healthy, we can live with it. Maybe he flops and it goes down as the worst trade of Cashmans career. If he pitches anywhere close to the back of his BB card, he's a legit #2 starter

    I would also argue that this BP has a chance to be just as good or better than any BP the Yankees have had in that same time period, with on big exception Mo. He's the GOAT, period.

    A huge part of this BP hinges on King being back to what he was. He was by the number the most valuable BP arm in the AL. At one point he had double the WAR of any other AL reliever. Healthy King can slot into any role. He's our fireman and capable of going multiple innings. If he had stayed healthy, you could make the argument he was on of the most valuable BP arms in BB

    Wandy, especially down the stretch was elite. He's proven he can be counted on to get big outs in late innings situations.

    Lo struggled to start the yr which eventually got him shut down, but when he came back he looked like the guy who was one of the best relievers in BB in 21. He was easily our best reliever down the stretch and IMO should probably be our closer.

    If we get the good Holmes, we've seen him be a top 3 closer in BB. Which one we get this yr could make a huge difference.

    Marinaccio had an elite debut. He's got a crazy late life in his 95 plus FB, has one of the best Whirly/Sliders on a team full of them and the CU has shown flashes of being one of the better in BB.

    Trivino was very good and looks like he might be the next gem of Blakes development.

    Then we have Kahnle was looked as good as ever in his return with the Dodgers, The CU was as good as even and he gets our guys that swing from either side just as well.

    thats 7 guys I would say were at worst were above avg or better BP arms

    This entire pitching staff, providing they stay healthy could be as good as many have ever seen the Yanks have IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    IMO this rotation this yr has the chance to be better than any of those rotations. Cole and Rodon have the potential to be better than any rotation we've seen, including the dynasty yrs.

    Where this rotation has a chance to be truly special is with the 3/4/5 spots

    Nestor has become a borderline Ace. He's been the Yankees best regular season pitcher for most of the past 2 seasons. He's still unproven in the playoffs, but if he can repeat last season that 3 legit Aces in my book

    Sevy is in his walk yr, with an elite season and he stays healthy, he could easily pitch his way into a Rodon like contract. If he has an avg season and misses a bunch of time he'll likely end up having to take a prove it type deal.
    Last yr when he was healthy Sevy had the best stuff f his career. His CU looks plus or better and the cutter was a serviceable pitch for him. If Sevy can have anything close to his early seasons he could be in the conversation of the CY Young.

    All 4 could pitch to and ERA below 3 and win 15 plus games. I also really like the personality mix, I could see all 4 pitching up and competing with each other.

    You know who would be a perfect #5 Waldichuk..

    Despite looking like the worst trade of Cashmans career, I still have high hopes for Montas. We've never seen him healthy and the woman that raised him passed away 10 days before we traded him. I think we could all admit that our heads wouldn't be on baseball after suddenly losing the person that raised you.

    Montas never stays healthy for the entire seasons, he's injury prone. He also is in a walk yr and lost a ton of money with his poor performance here. If missing this time gets him back to 100% healthy, we can live with it. Maybe he flops and it goes down as the worst trade of Cashmans career. If he pitches anywhere close to the back of his BB card, he's a legit #2 starter

    I would also argue that this BP has a chance to be just as good or better than any BP the Yankees have had in that same time period, with on big exception Mo. He's the GOAT, period.

    A huge part of this BP hinges on King being back to what he was. He was by the number the most valuable BP arm in the AL. At one point he had double the WAR of any other AL reliever. Healthy King can slot into any role. He's our fireman and capable of going multiple innings. If he had stayed healthy, you could make the argument he was on of the most valuable BP arms in BB

    Wandy, especially down the stretch was elite. He's proven he can be counted on to get big outs in late innings situations.

    Lo struggled to start the yr which eventually got him shut down, but when he came back he looked like the guy who was one of the best relievers in BB in 21. He was easily our best reliever down the stretch and IMO should probably be our closer.

    If we get the good Holmes, we've seen him be a top 3 closer in BB. Which one we get this yr could make a huge difference.

    Marinaccio had an elite debut. He's got a crazy late life in his 95 plus FB, has one of the best Whirly/Sliders on a team full of them and the CU has shown flashes of being one of the better in BB.

    Trivino was very good and looks like he might be the next gem of Blakes development.

    Then we have Kahnle was looked as good as ever in his return with the Dodgers, The CU was as good as even and he gets our guys that swing from either side just as well.

    thats 7 guys I would say were at worst were above avg or better BP arms

    This entire pitching staff, providing they stay healthy could be as good as many have ever seen the Yanks have IMO
    Same as last year, pitching is not the problem. As a result, this team will be good. The question, as always, is will they be great?

    Last year's rookies, Peraza and Cabrera, with the help of Volpe help fill the major gap that existed at the beginning of last year... shortstop. Bader filled the gap in centerfield, which helps. Cabrera helps to fill the gap in left field, but that's not likely to be enough. Because of Bader, Peraza, Cabrera, and Volpe the offense is definitely better than it was at the beginning of last year. Hell, I'd even argue it's better than their offense was in the playoffs, since DJ is now healthy, and the Yankees didn't even have Benintendi healthy in the playoffs. Where does that leave the Yankees? They need a left fielder. That's the bottom line here.

    If they can get a good one without trading Torres? Even better because that gives them some protection from. Lemahiue injury.

    This year will be fun to watch regardless. One left fielder has the potential to make this an elite team though. I don't think people realize how good they good be if that LF spot is filled by a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    IMO this rotation this yr has the chance to be better than any of those rotations. Cole and Rodon have the potential to be better than any rotation we've seen, including the dynasty yrs.

    Where this rotation has a chance to be truly special is with the 3/4/5 spots

    Nestor has become a borderline Ace. He's been the Yankees best regular season pitcher for most of the past 2 seasons. He's still unproven in the playoffs, but if he can repeat last season that 3 legit Aces in my book

    Sevy is in his walk yr, with an elite season and he stays healthy, he could easily pitch his way into a Rodon like contract. If he has an avg season and misses a bunch of time he'll likely end up having to take a prove it type deal.
    Last yr when he was healthy Sevy had the best stuff f his career. His CU looks plus or better and the cutter was a serviceable pitch for him. If Sevy can have anything close to his early seasons he could be in the conversation of the CY Young.

    All 4 could pitch to and ERA below 3 and win 15 plus games. I also really like the personality mix, I could see all 4 pitching up and competing with each other.

    You know who would be a perfect #5 Waldichuk..

    Despite looking like the worst trade of Cashmans career, I still have high hopes for Montas. We've never seen him healthy and the woman that raised him passed away 10 days before we traded him. I think we could all admit that our heads wouldn't be on baseball after suddenly losing the person that raised you.

    Montas never stays healthy for the entire seasons, he's injury prone. He also is in a walk yr and lost a ton of money with his poor performance here. If missing this time gets him back to 100% healthy, we can live with it. Maybe he flops and it goes down as the worst trade of Cashmans career. If he pitches anywhere close to the back of his BB card, he's a legit #2 starter

    I would also argue that this BP has a chance to be just as good or better than any BP the Yankees have had in that same time period, with on big exception Mo. He's the GOAT, period.

    A huge part of this BP hinges on King being back to what he was. He was by the number the most valuable BP arm in the AL. At one point he had double the WAR of any other AL reliever. Healthy King can slot into any role. He's our fireman and capable of going multiple innings. If he had stayed healthy, you could make the argument he was on of the most valuable BP arms in BB

    Wandy, especially down the stretch was elite. He's proven he can be counted on to get big outs in late innings situations.

    Lo struggled to start the yr which eventually got him shut down, but when he came back he looked like the guy who was one of the best relievers in BB in 21. He was easily our best reliever down the stretch and IMO should probably be our closer.

    If we get the good Holmes, we've seen him be a top 3 closer in BB. Which one we get this yr could make a huge difference.

    Marinaccio had an elite debut. He's got a crazy late life in his 95 plus FB, has one of the best Whirly/Sliders on a team full of them and the CU has shown flashes of being one of the better in BB.

    Trivino was very good and looks like he might be the next gem of Blakes development.

    Then we have Kahnle was looked as good as ever in his return with the Dodgers, The CU was as good as even and he gets our guys that swing from either side just as well.

    thats 7 guys I would say were at worst were above avg or better BP arms

    This entire pitching staff, providing they stay healthy could be as good as many have ever seen the Yanks have IMO
    Agreed Pitching should be stellar. Hopefully some of the kids develop quickly or those who are getting close., at least make quick jumps. They need some farm help and depth.

    As Phoba said, pitching was good last year. They just couldn't hit. I am praying your info is true and they will move 2 of IKF, JD, Hicks or Torres

    The Torres scenario you put forth makes a ton of sense. If they got at least, a top 5, a top 10 and 2 top 20 specs from a club for him, that could be really good ammo at the deadline.

    I am holding out hope that somehow, we see that Peraza and Volpe MIF with DJ and Rizzo at the corners.



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    Peraza and Cabrera will be relied on heavily to help carry the offense behind Judge and Stanton in the regular season and definitely in the post season. That's a lot of pressure on a couple of kids.

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    What are we? 2 weeks out? 2-16 is the start of ST?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    What are we? 2 weeks out? 2-16 is the start of ST?
    And we signed just ONE player.
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    Rizzo, Judge, and Rodon all merged in to one player?

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