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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Yankee dynasty rotations were terrific. We need to get back to that.
    You need to go look at those rotations.
    96-Cone and Petite were amazing but the rest were mid 4s, mid 5 and mid 6 ERA
    97- Cone and Petite were amazing but the rest had era's of mid 4s and one had 5+
    98 was really good but you still had 2 pitchers with 4+ ERA
    99 the only sub 4 ERA was Cone
    2000- Clemmons was the only sub 4 ERA. Petite and El Duque were mid 4, Cone was almost 7 and Neagle was 5.8


    Last year, Every yankee starter was below a 4 ERA. (Except Montas if you just take his team as a yankee) So adding Rodon makes them even better and longer. That is provided the huge "IF" comes to pass and they stay healthy.


    The difference between then and now is not the rotation. It is the pen
    Mo, Stanton, Nelson, Loyd and Mendoza were bullpen staples and all, really good for a 5 year period.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Dr, the top 4 is good the rest are garbage.
    You were one of the ones that wanted Montas. You watched him pitch one day he was on against Houston and made a huge deal about his FB sitting 97-99 and how good his split finger was.

    We haven't seen a healthy or locked in version of Montas. Hopefully he can get back to 100% and we can see the good version of him in pinstripes.

    Jhonny Brito is another name to look for who could easily handle that 5th starter role right away
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    Quote Originally Posted by jango2000 View Post
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    He is talking about the one and only, pure trash: Ereck Flowers

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    You need to go look at those rotations.
    96-Cone and Petite were amazing but the rest were mid 4s, mid 5 and mid 6 ERA
    97- Cone and Petite were amazing but the rest had era's of mid 4s and one had 5+
    98 was really good but you still had 2 pitchers with 4+ ERA
    99 the only sub 4 ERA was Cone
    2000- Clemmons was the only sub 4 ERA. Petite and El Duque were mid 4, Cone was almost 7 and Neagle was 5.8


    Last year, Every yankee starter was below a 4 ERA. (Except Montas if you just take his team as a yankee) So adding Rodon makes them even better and longer. That is provided the huge "IF" comes to pass and they stay healthy.


    The difference between then and now is not the rotation. It is the pen
    Mo, Stanton, Nelson, Loyd and Mendoza were bullpen staples and all, really good for a 5 year period.

    Clown, that was during the roid era. Check the AL ERA for the entire years for 1996-2001. Yankees rotations were always the best.

    The AL was always a tough nut to crack for starting pitchers.


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    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 01-31-2023 at 09:46 AM.
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    Cohen is going all in for Ohtani next offseason. Hal can beat him if he really want Ohtani. But Hal doesnít want to mess up that net profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Clown, that was during the roid era. Check the AL ERA for the entire years for 1996-2001. Yankees rotations were always the best.

    The AL was always a tough nut to crack for starting pitchers.


    https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...AL/pitch.shtml
    The point being, they always had a few guys who were lights out and a couple who were ok.
    Exactly like this rotation



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    We're getting close....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    You were one of the ones that wanted Montas. You watched him pitch one day he was on against Houston and made a huge deal about his FB sitting 97-99 and how good his split finger was.

    We haven't seen a healthy or locked in version of Montas. Hopefully he can get back to 100% and we can see the good version of him in pinstripes.

    Jhonny Brito is another name to look for who could easily handle that 5th starter role right away
    I sure Houston would take a healthy Montas. The guy was damaged goods. Cashman had to make some sort of a trade as the Castillo deal was not to his liking. He had the to grab the next in line but got a guy with a bum arm. Cashman thought he would be healthy for Oct and he wasnít. But looking back he should have traded Volpe and Peraza and got us Castillo. And I highly doubt we ever see the good Montas as a Yankee. All of his trades are for guys who are hurt. Look at every single player he traded for. All were hurt. Hell, he been better off playing Pettitte $6 million to pitch 40 innings and he would have done better than Montas even at his age. Cashman will always try to find a cheap way out. Ever since Jeter went down in Oct 2012 vs Detroit he just gets bounce back candidates, tries to squeeze one more year out of a old former star, trades for an injured player with hope he can be healthy when needed. There is a long list of these players since 2013Ö.And Kevin Youkilis started it allÖ..BTW, how did he work with the Yankees? And then Hal will order Cashman to sign a few big names to calm the Yankee fans down.

    Iíve about had with Cashman. I might have to start following the Rays as they get more bang out of their buck. The Rays will still scare the Yankees all season.
    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 01-31-2023 at 02:35 PM.
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    2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
    3. I Me Mine
    4. A Day in the Life
    5. Helter Skelter
    6. Let it Be
    7. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
    8. Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite
    9. Golden Slumbers
    10. Eleanor Rigby

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    I sure Houston would take a healthy Montas. The guy was damaged goods. Cashman had to make some sort of a trade as the Castillo deal was not to his liking. He had the to grab the next in line but got a guy with a bum arm. Cashman thought he would be healthy for Oct and he wasnít. But looking back he should have traded Volpe and Peraza and got us Castillo. And I highly doubt we ever see the good Montas as a Yankee. All of his trades are for guys who are hurt. Look at every single player he traded for. All were hurt. Hell, he been better off playing Pettitte $6 million to pitch 40 innings and he would have done better than Montas even at his age. Cashman will always try to find a cheap way out. Ever since Jeter went down in Oct 2012 vs Detroit he just gets bounce back candidates, tries to squeeze one more year out of a old former star, trades for an injured player with hope he can be healthy when needed. There is a long list of these players since 2013Ö.And Kevin Youkilis started it allÖ..BTW, how did he work with the Yankees? And then Hal will order Cashman to sign a few big names to calm the Yankee fans down.

    Iíve about had with Cashman. I might have to start following the Rays as they get more bang out of their buck. The Rays will still scare the Yankees all season.
    Excellent idea. Please do so. Today would be a great day to switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevemil505 View Post
    Excellent idea. Please do so. Today would be a great day to switch.
    Even if he did, tomorrow would just be a great day to switch back



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    The point being, they always had a few guys who were lights out and a couple who were ok.
    Exactly like this rotation
    Clown, I know what you were trying to say but I proved you wrong. The Yankees had better rotations in the dynasty years by far than now. The numbers were higher in those years and that was how you were trying to prove your point with the 3-5 starters having higher ERAs.

    Check again and check the rest of the AL league and all of their rotations from 1996-2001, all teams rotationsÖ..Yankees had superior rotationsÖ..


    The rest of the good teams in the AL had maybe one at best with 4 average to subpar filling out the rotation. Yankees had 4 with one average.
    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 01-31-2023 at 05:19 PM.
    My Top 10 Beatles songs

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    2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
    3. I Me Mine
    4. A Day in the Life
    5. Helter Skelter
    6. Let it Be
    7. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
    8. Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite
    9. Golden Slumbers
    10. Eleanor Rigby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Even if he did, tomorrow would just be a great day to switch back
    Look, Iím notswitching to a full time Rays fan. I live in the Tampa Bay Area. I donít even get the Tampa Bay Times anymore so I donít even read the sports. They only deliver twice a week to your house so why pay money for that crummy service? I realize I can read the entire paper online but you have to pay full price and that is a joke. I lost track who the Rays even had for a roster. Of course I see box scores and watch a few games here and there but I read more about the NY teams than the Bay Area teams. So I highly doubt Iíll be switching. Iím just saying the Rays would be a more exciting team to watch as their record indicates that they get more bang for their buck. Ur I. The end if the Yankees and Rays played in the ALCS Iíd be rooting 100% for the Yankees. The Rays are that stepsister team.
    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 01-31-2023 at 05:29 PM.
    My Top 10 Beatles songs

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    2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
    3. I Me Mine
    4. A Day in the Life
    5. Helter Skelter
    6. Let it Be
    7. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
    8. Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite
    9. Golden Slumbers
    10. Eleanor Rigby

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    So Chad Green to Toronto?

    Way to go Chapman!

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    2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
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    4. A Day in the Life
    5. Helter Skelter
    6. Let it Be
    7. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
    8. Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite
    9. Golden Slumbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Clown, I know what you were trying to say but I proved you wrong. The Yankees had better rotations in the dynasty years by far than now. The numbers were higher in those years and that was how you were trying to prove your point with the 3-5 starters having higher ERAs.

    Check again and check the rest of the AL league and all of their rotations from 1996-2001, all teams rotationsÖ..Yankees had superior rotationsÖ..


    The rest of the good teams in the AL had maybe one at best with 4 average to subpar filling out the rotation. Yankees had 4 with one average.
    It's really not as significant of a difference as you're trying to make it out to be.

    1996-2001 Yankees SP:
    95 ERA- (4th in MLB), 93 FIP- (2nd in MLB), 4.40 ERA (7th in MLB), 2.11 K/BB (tied for 6th in MLB)

    2018-2022 Yankees SP: 94 ERA- (7th in MLB), 94 FIP- (7th in MLB), 4.00 ERA (9th in MLB), 3.54 K/BB (4th in MLB)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    I hate the Montas deal..

    BUT, if we are being honest, to say they havenít put a rotation (on paper, anyways) that should be capable of going all the way, is just not fair.

    Besides the bullpen issues, mostly due to injury, the pitching staff held up their end last season. And the staff should be better all around, this year
    Who has said that?

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