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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    You're right, Ellsbury didn't have a horrendous red flag on his medical thay caused other teams to back down from their original contract offers. That's Correa. So sure, skill wise Correa had a longer track record, but injury wise Correa is an even higher risk to have an injury that ends his career than Ellsbury was at the time that contract was signed.
    I bet Correa plays more career games than Judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Shady, OPS is the combination of OBA and SLG. So yes it is more valuable than just batting average. I rate a player on how often they get on base. They may walk more than just getting on with just a base hit. And slug is how many bases they get during that particular hit with regards to their at bats.

    And Iíd take Correa over Jeter anyway at SS, Oct or regular season.


    And take the WAR stat and stick it up whoeverís *** started that dumb *** stat.

    If you canít figure out a baseball stat within 5 sec then the stat is a joke. I donít need some stat geek coming up with a long math problem to tell me on how a player is rated.

    Every single baseball stat is based on passed history anyway. Nothing is guaranteed. Nothing! You can show me every stat on Cole from his first ML pitch through 2022 and you can throw all of that crap of the window because it means nothing in 2023. Baseball player stats are like stocks in the Stock Market. It is all past performance.

    But personally Iíd take Correa over any current Yankee player in the lineup when it comes to Oct baseball. Our current players in the lineup are all trash in Oct. And that is not Aaron Boone up there hitting. Boone at least had a big hit in Oct. Our players play scared and are weak in Oct.
    I didnít ask you to tell me what OPS is. Or OBP, or Slugging. I assure you, I understand them just fine

    Apparently, you didnít understand what I wrote, or you just are refusing to answer directly. But I didnít say OPS VS BA. I said BA and OBP VS OPS.

    If you value how often a guy gets on base, then you wouldnít necessarily like OPS, as it doesnít mean the guy with the higher OPS gets on base more. I also disagree that all getting on base is equal. Actually hitting is a very valuable skill. Iíd say a ton of games come down to a guy being able to get a simple single in a big spot. And there arenít a lot of guys who can do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    The same people who are saying the Yankees should have signed Correa at 6 years, $186 million must have absolutely loved the Jacoby Ellsbury deal.

    I bring that up because Correa has a very high chance to end up the same way Ellsbury did. Twins took a huge risk. Good for them, but if I'm GM (and don't get me wrong there is a very good reason I'm not), I'm not signing him for what the Twins paid.

    Also think about this, the Mets offered him more money, it was just contingent upon him staying healthy. Yet he didn't accept. That tells me even he doesn't feel confident he can stay healthy.

    Correa is a good player. But when you combine this level of uncertainty with his known cheating and in my opinion poor attitude, I would not sign this guy to anything more than a 2 year contract.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Shady, OPS is the combination of OBA and SLG. So yes it is more valuable than just batting average. I rate a player on how often they get on base. They may walk more than just getting on with just a base hit. And slug is how many bases they get during that particular hit with regards to their at bats.

    And Iíd take Correa over Jeter anyway at SS, Oct or regular season.


    And take the WAR stat and stick it up whoeverís *** started that dumb *** stat.

    If you canít figure out a baseball stat within 5 sec then the stat is a joke. I donít need some stat geek coming up with a long math problem to tell me on how a player is rated.

    Every single baseball stat is based on passed history anyway. Nothing is guaranteed. Nothing! You can show me every stat on Cole from his first ML pitch through 2022 and you can throw all of that crap of the window because it means nothing in 2023. Baseball player stats are like stocks in the Stock Market. It is all past performance.

    But personally Iíd take Correa over any current Yankee player in the lineup when it comes to Oct baseball. Our current players in the lineup are all trash in Oct. And that is not Aaron Boone up there hitting. Boone at least had a big hit in Oct. Our players play scared and are weak in Oct.


    You might want to revisit the numbers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    The same people who are saying the Yankees should have signed Correa at 6 years, $186 million must have absolutely loved the Jacoby Ellsbury deal.

    I bring that up because Correa has a very high chance to end up the same way Ellsbury did. Twins took a huge risk. Good for them, but if I'm GM (and don't get me wrong there is a very good reason I'm not), I'm not signing him for what the Twins paid.

    Also think about this, the Mets offered him more money, it was just contingent upon him staying healthy. Yet he didn't accept. That tells me even he doesn't feel confident he can stay healthy.

    Correa is a good player. But when you combine this level of uncertainty with his known cheating and in my opinion poor attitude, I would not sign this guy to anything more than a 2 year contract.
    I don't have a crystal ball so I have no idea what the odds are that he'll be another Ellsbury. As far as Correa having a bad attitude, i believe he was the most remorseful out of the entire Astros team based on his interviews. Compare that with Bregman who comes off as a pos. To be honest, I find it hard to let it go either way, but he admitted his mistake and apologized more than once. After that it was up to the commissioner to punish the team, which never happened.

    In terms of the contract, youd have to be crazy not to sign a 27 year old to a 6 year deal. The twins are done with him after he turns 33, if he doesn't finish in the top 5 in MVP voting. If he does that's worth an extra 25 million by far. If we're being perfectly honest here, the yankees desperately need a player with his skills, and that's excluding the fact that they have no idea how Volpe, Peraza or even Cabrera will perform. If nothing else, the yankees still need an actual third baseman, even if those 2 take their rightful places at SS and 2B. However, if it turns out that Volpe, Peraza and Cabrera are complete flops, Cashman will look like the biggest fool on the planet for passing on player after player every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    Ellsbury was a one year wonder. They are no where close to comparable.
    Yup. Not even remotely comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Pretty much....and holy ****, I had forgotten that Ellsbury had a 9.5 fWAR season in 2011.
    Yeah, his one breakout season was insane. Crazy that he was able to hit like that for a full season but was barely an above average hitter in his next best seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    You're right, Ellsbury didn't have a horrendous red flag on his medical thay caused other teams to back down from their original contract offers. That's Correa. So sure, skill wise Correa had a longer track record, but injury wise Correa is an even higher risk to have an injury that ends his career than Ellsbury was at the time that contract was signed.
    A team still gave him $200M. If he is such a guarantee to blow up then why would a small market team like the Twins throw away such a significant amount of cash? Thereís certainly red flags but it isnít enough for teams to not still offer one of the biggest contracts ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    A team still gave him $200M. If he is such a guarantee to blow up then why would a small market team like the Twins throw away such a significant amount of cash? Thereís certainly red flags but it isnít enough for teams to not still offer one of the biggest contracts ever.
    Itís a dice roll. They are hoping they get a top level player at a lower price, because thereís no way they afford it otherwise. Obviously the Giants and Mets didnít like what they saw, and didnít offer even as much as MIN did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    A team still gave him $200M. If he is such a guarantee to blow up then why would a small market team like the Twins throw away such a significant amount of cash? Thereís certainly red flags but it isnít enough for teams to not still offer one of the biggest contracts ever.
    My guess is the the medicals showed his current deterioration and how they expect it to proceed. Even if the Twins get 4 good years from him, which I think they will, it's a good deal. If they get 5 or 6? It's an amazing deal.
    If they get 2-3 and they get to the playoffs each year? It's worth it.

    To me, the deal's length is really smart.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    I bet Correa plays more career games than Judge.
    You bet a kid that started in the bigs at 20 plays more total games than a kid that started at 24? My goodness, what a risk taker you are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJYANKS12 View Post
    You bet a kid that started in the bigs at 20 plays more total games than a kid that started at 24? My goodness, what a risk taker you are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    You're right, Ellsbury didn't have a horrendous red flag on his medical thay caused other teams to back down from their original contract offers. That's Correa. So sure, skill wise Correa had a longer track record, but injury wise Correa is an even higher risk to have an injury that ends his career than Ellsbury was at the time that contract was signed.
    ells was on roids like manny and ortiz and a bunch of other sox players..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    Yeah, his one breakout season was insane. Crazy that he was able to hit like that for a full season but was barely an above average hitter in his next best seasons.
    Let's see. One elite year during the steroids era, followed by years matching his career average years (as testing for steroids begins), followed by his body breaking down. Hmmmm. Say, you don't suppose......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post


    You might want to revisit the numbers.
    That might be the most insane statement he's made on here. And that's saying something

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