Off Season Thread- 2022-2023

[ShadyOne]

the only one I wanted was Seager last yr. After he was off the board I wanted nothing to do with any of them and look how those deals look after 1 yr
Story was horrible last yr and is going to likely miss a huge part of this season getting TJS today.
Sieman was no where close to the player he was signed to be.
Baez, ugly deal so far.
Correa was good but not to the levels he was in Houston.

None of those guys are looking like smart, long term moves

We'll see if this yr's group fairs better than last yr, but with the length of those deals doesn't look great.

If you are going to commit 300M+ for a decade or more, you better be in love with that player good and bad

I agree with all that too. Said the same last year.

[OhSoSlick]

How the SS classes are playing out:

Story - elbow injury after a 102 OPS+ year
Semien - 131 OPS+ walk year to 108 OPS+ in 2022
Seager - 142 OPS+ walk year to 119 OPS+ in 2022
Correa - TBD(2022 was better than 2021)
Baez - 93 OPS+ (114 in 2021)
Turner - TBD

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[spliff(TONE)]

I don’t think any of the big ticket guys were worth those numbers.

Agreed.

[rrzubnyy]

I'd take Correa short term but for 3rd base. His defense slipped last yr.

The biggest problem with the idea of Correa is we already have way to many RH INF. Now had they not traded for JD and IKF and just gone with Peraza last yr, Correa becomes more realistic

But his bat made up for it.

You can’t just ignore his bat. He had a 5+ WAR, what did our SS and 3rd basemen have?

[metswon69]

But his bat made up for it.

You can’t just ignore his bat. He had a 5+ WAR, what did our SS and 3rd basemen have?

Two teams flagged his physical and the guaranteed years went from 13 to 12 to 6 with vesting options based on health. There are some obvious red flags there. Don't see where the Yankees would have given him that north of 33 million dollars a year for the next 6 seasons.

[johnny ny]

Two teams flagged his physical and the guaranteed years went from 13 to 12 to 6 with vesting options based on health. There are some obvious red flags there. Don't see where the Yankees would have given him that north of 33 million dollars a year for the next 6 seasons.

correa has never had a 30 home run 100 rbi season he has never lived up to his physical abilities..defense he has been great offensively he is not .. a big part of his overall war is on defense..

[rrzubnyy]

Two teams flagged his physical and the guaranteed years went from 13 to 12 to 6 with vesting options based on health. There are some obvious red flags there. Don't see where the Yankees would have given him that north of 33 million dollars a year for the next 6 seasons.

Then why sign him at all?

All they are going by is that ankle. Obviously he is not worth the risk of 12 years but who really is?

Can’t Judge, Turner, Lindor and all of the others who had signed 9+ year deals get hurt in the middle of the deal and never be the same afterwards? Correa got singled out because of his ankle. And he never missed any games with that ankle.

Yanks should have offered 6/220

[rrzubnyy]

correa has never had a 30 home run 100 rbi season he has never lived up to his physical abilities..defense he has been great offensively he is not .. a big part of his overall war is on defense..

The guy is an Oct performer.

It is funny how prior to the Giant’s saying no and when he was available a lot of Yankee fans on here said to get Correa. Now Yankee fan comes up with excuses because of the plate in his ankle and the guy has never missed a game because of that ankle. It was from other injuries. You all crack me up with the excuses now.

When Peraza and or Volpe come up empty in Oct you are going to wish you had a Carlos Correa in those situations.


And his 2022 OPS + would have been 2nd on the 2022 Yankees. And that is with the Twins and a crummy team around him. Don’t tell me he is not good offensively, that is ridiculous.

[Kinkotheclown]

The guy is an Oct performer.

It is funny how prior to the Giant’s saying no and when he was available a lot of Yankee fans on here said to get Correa. Now Yankee fan comes up with excuses because of the plate in his ankle and the guy has never missed a game because of that ankle. It was from other injuries. You all crack me up with the excuses now.

When Peraza and or Volpe come up empty in Oct you are going to wish you had a Carlos Correa in those situations.


And his 2022 OPS + would have been 2nd on the 2022 Yankees. And that is with the Twins and a crummy team around him. Don’t tell me he is not good offensively, that is ridiculous.

He is overrated offensively. His post season numbers are slightly worse than his career numbers.
He has spent his share of time on the IL. I never wanted him. I thought he was an injury risk because of his back.

[Kinkotheclown]

How the SS classes are playing out:

Story - elbow injury after a 102 OPS+ year
Semien - 131 OPS+ walk year to 108 OPS+ in 2022
Seager - 142 OPS+ walk year to 119 OPS+ in 2022
Correa - TBD(2022 was better than 2021)
Baez - 93 OPS+ (114 in 2021)
Turner - TBD

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Yikes

[rrzubnyy]

He is overrated offensively. His post season numbers are slightly worse than his career numbers.
He has spent his share of time on the IL. I never wanted him. I thought he was an injury risk because of his back.

Clown, most players postseason numbers are worse than their career numbers because of facing better pitching. Really? Did you actually say that?

[rrzubnyy]

Clown, Correa career postseason OPS is .862
Judge’s career postseason OPS is .772


And for a historical one

Jeter’s career postseason OPS is .838 and he was one of the best in Oct.

Well?

[Kinkotheclown]

Clown, Correa career postseason OPS is .862
Judge’s career postseason OPS is .772


And for a historical one

Jeter’s career postseason OPS is .838 and he was one of the best in Oct.

Well?

My point was that Correa may be good in the post season but he isn't a world beater.

Jeter's post season numbers are almost identical to his career regular season numbers. His OPS is higher in the playoffs

The crazy thing is, Judge has stunk in the playoffs and still posted that OPS

[Kinkotheclown]

Clown, most players postseason numbers are worse than their career numbers because of facing better pitching. Really? Did you actually say that?

Yes. I did.

I stand by it. Correa is a good post season player but not the player you claim. If you look at his rankings, he's one;y been a top 10 performer 1 time and a top 20 performer, Twice. (That includes the top 10 time)
I would also add that playoff averages drop 20 points, on average. Correa drops 30 points

Again, he's a good post season player but he isn't the epitome of greatness in the post season.

[ShadyOne]

Clown, Correa career postseason OPS is .862
Judge’s career postseason OPS is .772


And for a historical one

Jeter’s career postseason OPS is .838 and he was one of the best in Oct.

Well?

OPS is the end all, for proving how good a player is?

Jeters batting average and OBP were both 30 points higher than Correas. I’d gladly take that over higher slugging