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    2022-2023 Cubs Offseason Free Agent & Trade Thread

    This would be a good start, getting these two extended now.

    https://twitter.com/NBCSChicago/stat...cipWgiJew&s=19

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    Sounds like he not planning on adding any FA TOR arm as i suspected..

    https://twitter.com/NBCSCubs/status/...L74n_aP_Q&s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
    This would be a good start, getting these two extended now.

    https://twitter.com/NBCSChicago/stat...cipWgiJew&s=19

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    Can go either way on Happ for me. Nico is for sure a guy id like to extend

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
    Sounds like he not planning on adding any FA TOR arm as i suspected..

    https://twitter.com/NBCSCubs/status/...L74n_aP_Q&s=19

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    A lot of that article just feels like Gordon Wittenmeyer being a negative Nancy. The actual quotes from Hoyer are kind of neutral. They want quality innings, guys they can work with and to spend intelligently without harming the future. They can do those many ways. There are intelligent ways to acquire impact arms, and they can do so without being stupid. I'm not too concerned with Wittenmeyer's worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    A lot of that article just feels like Gordon Wittenmeyer being a negative Nancy. The actual quotes from Hoyer are kind of neutral. They want quality innings, guys they can work with and to spend intelligently without harming the future. They can do those many ways. There are intelligent ways to acquire impact arms, and they can do so without being stupid. I'm not too concerned with Wittenmeyer's worries.
    This isn't one of them, i mean Smyly had a good season but with the younger arms like Steele, Wisneski, etc. to go with Stroman and Hendricks if they bring Smyly back, theyre definitely not going to sign or bring in another arm for the rotation unless they make trades or feel Hendricks wont be ready and or out awhile.

    https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/s...2J74ZnHJg&s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
    This isn't one of them, i mean Smyly had a good season but with the younger arms like Steele, Wisneski, etc. to go with Stroman and Hendricks if they bring Smyly back, theyre definitely not going to sign or bring in another arm for the rotation unless they make trades or feel Hendricks wont be ready and or out awhile.

    https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/s...2J74ZnHJg&s=19

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    Im going to point something out here: that's a you belief. If you think Drew Smyly will stop them from going after a better arm, you can have that opinion, but I couldn't disagree with it more. If the Cubs are under the belief that Drew Smyly is the reason you don't bring in a Senga, or DeGrom or Verlander or attempt a trade, then we have serious issues. Drew Smyly is a borderline 5th SP. Those pitchers fulfill very different roles. Thankfully, I think the Cubs are very good at understanding pitching right now, and that they probably don't have the distinction issue.

    I do believe the Cubs will pick up some sort of an impact arm. If I had to guess, it will be Kodai Senga. He fulfills the goal to stay shorter term (I expect 3 or 4 years), won't cost a QO, and pitch profile wise, fits what the Cubs have looked for. Drew Smyly is a perfect swingman, long reliever who can eat some starts. The Cubs can acquire both Smyly and Senga and be fine. Depth is key. The best pitching teams in baseball go depth, depth, and depth and force young arms to find a role, usually via BP first. I expect the Cubs will go that route.
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    2022-2023 Cubs Offseason Free Agent & Trade Thread

    I am not necessarily expecting an ace , but I think they will add at the very least 1 Stroman caliber , maybe 2 . Mooney basically said that the Cubs will pursue Senga in one of his articles . Cubs will add significant SP this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dfan25 View Post
    I am not necessarily expecting an ace , but I think they will add at the very least 1 Stroman caliber , maybe 2 . Hottovy said itís too much too expect the young arms to go 180 IP next year .

    Mooney basically said that the Cubs will pursue Senga in one of his articles . Cubs will add significant SP this offseason .


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    Yes. Agreed here. I think the DeGrom/Verlander things are unlikely. But a Senga/Bassitt/Kluber type would make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    Yes. Agreed here. I think the DeGrom/Verlander things are unlikely. But a Senga/Bassitt/Kluber type would make sense.

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    If they go that route with one of them and Smyle they should have money for a SS and another impact bat. Honestly the bat can be anyone. They have a DH spot so not like they have to worry about a particular position. I wouldnít mind going for Abreu on a 2 year deal. He can DH and play some first. Not sure he leaves the Sox, but last thing I heard in him was they havenít approached him. And they are going to have to make some changes. A guy like Abreu is a worthy full time DH, unlike Reyes. I would love Nimmo as well, as another option -not in addition too. Or, hell, go all Rangers, and sign one of Turner or Correa AND than Boergarts as the second bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
    This would be a good start, getting these two extended now.

    https://twitter.com/NBCSChicago/stat...cipWgiJew&s=19

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    We have a core?

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    We have the intelligent spending buzzwords straight from Hoyer's mouth

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    Interesting nugget from Bleacher Nation paraphrasing Hoyer's press conference today. I love everything he said today, I agree with all of it. Does anyone have a link to the full press conference?

    https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/...ss-conference/

    Itís hard to compare this second half to the second half of 2014, because our best prospects back then were either already in the big leagues or were dominating in Triple-A or Double-A. We were further along as to when those hitters were going to be in the big leagues. But on a pitching standpoint, weíre probably further along than we were back in 2014. So itís hard to compare. When we went out into the free agent market before 2015, though, it was really only for one significant free agent: Jon Lester. We knew what he would bring (so he was the primary target). Other moves were a little smaller: trades for Montero and Dexter (media jokes about David Ross).

    Hard to imagine a young player more focused on ďthe teamĒ than Nico Hoerner. He wants to talk about the team, the winning, and the culture, so itís pretty easy to talk to him about whatever additions might impact him.

    When you find the right player at the right time, we are going to prepare a lot of documentation about that. We think heavily about those really big transactions. I know that if I present Tom Ricketts with a plan like that, Iíll have his support. I have total confidence that if we seek a significant amount of money to sign one huge player or multiple, weíll have his support and the resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfoley89 View Post
    We have the intelligent spending buzzwords straight from Hoyer's mouth
    I'm good with that. A good contract means more or less maximizing the WAR per million you get out of the contract over its length. Stroman and Suzuki were really good contracts last year, as were Miley, Smyly, Robertson. Villar + Simmons = blech.

    If they think a longterm deal for a big player is a good investment I think they'll do it.

    Star FA players who sign longterm typically perform very well the first few years and then regress, and by the end of their deals they often suck. So here's another way of looking at these 8-10 year FA deals: if the production were reversed, would we still want to sign that player? ie: if Correa or Turner were expected to be worth 1-2 WAR over the next few seasons and then became worth 4-6 WAR in their last 4 years, and were 2-4 WAR in the seasons in between, would we want to sign the contract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    A lot of that article just feels like Gordon Wittenmeyer being a negative Nancy. The actual quotes from Hoyer are kind of neutral. They want quality innings, guys they can work with and to spend intelligently without harming the future. They can do those many ways. There are intelligent ways to acquire impact arms, and they can do so without being stupid. I'm not too concerned with Wittenmeyer's worries.
    Yeah agree, Hoyer hasn't really committed to much in his comments and rightfully so. However, he also didn't make any indication they are looking for TORP help, but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't.

    He did say in that interview he'd love to bring back Smyly and Miley if they fit into their plans, but again that's not surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dfan25 View Post
    I am not necessarily expecting an ace , but I think they will add at the very least 1 Stroman caliber , maybe 2 . Mooney basically said that the Cubs will pursue Senga in one of his articles . Cubs will add significant SP this offseason.

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    Not sure how many Stroman-caliber guys are in FA this year. I can only think of Senga off the top of my head.

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