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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    They don't. The only thing that makes it better is the ability to further the American economy. Look, I'm aware its not some easy process because if you produce things in China, Mexico, Colombia or Indonesia for 10 cents on the dollar, you're going to do it but there are ways to incentivize American businesses to produce their goods domestically.
    to do that, goods would need to be produced at a low enough cost though. And many goods just can't be produced here at a low cost. Our labor cost, labor laws, healthcare provided, building costs, and nearly every overhead cost you can find are just way more expensive than most of Asia, or Mexico for example.

    We could give tax breaks to manufacturers to move back here I suppose, and regulate the price of things, but that goes against free market too.

    Idk, I support moving production back here in theory, but with current inflation, we need no other cause of it rising the way it is.

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    Didn't we use to impose import tax on foreign goods? Some labor cost can be offset by M4A, maybe taxing the hell out of manufactures who have their factories oversea instead providing support for them doing so.

    I'm not tight on economical issues, so just spitballing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Didn't we use to impose import tax on foreign goods? Some labor cost can be offset by M4A, maybe taxing the hell out of manufactures who have their factories oversea instead providing support for them doing so.

    I'm not tight on economical issues, so just spitballing here.
    Pretty sure none of that lowers the price to the consumer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Didn't we use to impose import tax on foreign goods? Some labor cost can be offset by M4A, maybe taxing the hell out of manufactures who have their factories oversea instead providing support for them doing so.

    I'm not tight on economical issues, so just spitballing here.
    tariffs on many asia imports are at 25% (Trump did try to bring manufacturing home with this). But consumers don't see the relief, it just has caused prices to rise. And the supply chain issues that even Trump didn't forsee, have caused a massive disruption which is also causing inflation of goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    tariffs on many asia imports are at 25% (Trump did try to bring manufacturing home with this). But consumers don't see the relief, it just has caused prices to rise. And the supply chain issues that even Trump didn't forsee, have caused a massive disruption which is also causing inflation of goods.
    I don't doubt your read on it, but I vaguely remember in history class, which maybe my problem here, that tariffs were use to protect American jobs. At least, the political spin was place on it as so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I don't doubt your read on it, but I vaguely remember in history class, which maybe my problem here, that tariffs were use to protect American jobs. At least, the political spin was place on it as so.
    Tariffs NEVER protect consumers. They can be used for positive things but they are never about protecting consumers. Anyone who says that they do is uninformed or lying for some ulterior motive.
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    Kind of a binary way to look at things (one side vis a vis the other side)

    In fact, most things I advocate for are not supported — much less actively promoted — by either the the so-called left (liberals) and the so-called right (conservatives):
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Kind of a binary way to look at things (one side vis a vis the other side)

    In fact, most things I advocate for are not supported — much less actively promoted — by either the the so-called left (liberals) and the so-called right (conservatives):
    I’m open to win tariffs (aka a tax on the good) have led to a decrease in the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I don't doubt your read on it, but I vaguely remember in history class, which maybe my problem here, that tariffs were use to protect American jobs. At least, the political spin was place on it as so.
    tariffs are used for a few reasons. At times, as political pressure against another country to push them in a direction. Other times, to motivate shippers to seek their suppliers stateside. The last thing tariffs provide it protection of the end consumers. In fact they do nothing but hurt them.

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    Trump raised our tariffs from China on a large amount of imports from 10 to 25%, and I can assure you it was a political tactic, even though he sold it as "bring jobs back to the US". He wanted to show China how Bad Azz he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    But he didn't do it. Is this about policies pushed or policies passed? There is a lot of wishful ideas in the former that was just hot air.
    He probably was going to do it in May, he seemed pretty sick of our generals and all their bullshitting.

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    Yeah, a lot of people let Trump down on that one, but again he appointed them to be his advisors.
    Last edited by WES445; 07-04-2022 at 12:32 PM.
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    Obviously, Wes failed his 3rd attempt to get his GED when he got to the economy questions.

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    Sorry, I was passing gas. Did something crawl in here? Heard a squeak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Obviously, Wes failed his 3rd attempt to get his GED when he got to the economy questions.
    Says the dipshit that blames all the inflation that is going on in the US solely on Biden. Critique someone else's intelligence when you get a brain of your own.

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