Health Insurance

[joeyc77]

For INCOME tax perhaps, but how about capital gains? While the market can earn you money or lose it, and it is your risk to earn (be taxed) or lose (get nothing), that is still earning power.

I still believe we need to add 3 tiers to our tax brackets. Currently, those who make between 209k-523k pay the same rate. We should break that in half, and apply a 37-40% rate to $340-523k. We should also add another tier at $1M let's say, at 45%. And anything over an absurd amount (like $20M), should just go straight to taxes.

Those making under $65k as a household shouldn't pay income taxes either.

And more so, corporate tax loopholes need to be gone entirely. Sustainable energy is about the only push I can stomach giving a corporation a tax break on with earnings.

And FINALLY, going back to the topic here, healthcare premiums should also work on a sliding scale, with a max obviously. Someone with an income of $65k a year shouldn't pay more than $100-120 per check for premiums. Someone making $200k should be paying $350/check. Someone making $1M should be paying $500/check. Max it out around there, but you get my attempted point.

So someone making 500k a year is taxed at like 37% correct? That's $185k in taxes. So i take my other 315k and invest it in stocks. Win or lose, the government shouldn't be able to tax that money again. Its already been taxed.

[brett05]

1. we all need healthcare.
2. The govt needs to run more, especially sectors like healthcare, prisons, education.
3. A car is not a need for many, many people in urban areas. In fact in some cities, it's a nuisance. Healthcare is a need for literally everyone.
4. This is an age old fallacy of the republican party belief. Easily proven false, but you won't listen anyways.

1) I said need.
2) Cause they do so well at what they do run. Nope, they need to run less. They need to stay in their lanes.
3) Sure is a need. Car is needed in urban areas tremendously. Hardly anyone can get by without a car. Public transportation? Sure some can, however that is in essence an on going cost that is often more than someone having their own vehicle.
4) You can't prove it. You want people to keep working hard so that all the money goes elsewhere. The one not listening here seems to be you.

[brett05]

How did I lie? And what kind of math are you cooking up here?

You said you are in the top 10% of earners and that earners should contribute 70% of all income taxes. Take 70% of your check and donate it. Go ahead.

[brett05]

So someone making 500k a year is taxed at like 37% correct? That's $185k in taxes. So i take my other 315k and invest it in stocks. Win or lose, the government shouldn't be able to tax that money again. Its already been taxed.

It's new money though. The 315 should not be taxes again but the new money made should be. However if it's lost it should also get the same tax break percentage wise as a profit.

[joeyc77]

1. we all need healthcare.
2. The govt needs to run more, especially sectors like healthcare, prisons, education.
3. A car is not a need for many, many people in urban areas. In fact in some cities, it's a nuisance. Healthcare is a need for literally everyone.
4. This is an age old fallacy of the republican party belief. Easily proven false, but you won't listen anyways.

So the way our current healthcare system works as a 3rd payer system could never work if it's government run. In our current system, doctors overcharge or markup their services to the insurance company. The insurance company fights to pay less. There is a constant struggle between the healthcare provider and the payer (insurance company). The patient is none the wiser. If the government were to become the payer as well as control the regulations, healthcare providers would be forced to take whatever the government decides to pay. This is called slave labor. This would be like in the NFL if QBs also called penalties.

[Hawkeye15]

So someone making 500k a year is taxed at like 37% correct? That's $185k in taxes. So i take my other 315k and invest it in stocks. Win or lose, the government shouldn't be able to tax that money again. Its already been taxed.

That is your opinion though. You do it with your 401k without taxation fyi.

Also (and you know this), but when you do your taxes, they do a 3 year look. So if you lost 10k last year, and made 10k this year, they offset and you don't pay taxes.

I get your viewpoint, but again, you are also talking about something half our population doesn't even have enough money to access, so boo hoo if you have stock market problems man. Sorry.

Again, problems for the wealthy just don't concern me, nor should they concern anyone in our population except the wealthy individual. I am more worried that inner city kids can go to school without surviving being the expectation, than someone who had to pay taxes on investments they made with spare cash laying around.

[dbroncos78087]

You are the pro-killing party.

Healthcare is available via ACA

[Hawkeye15]

So the way our current healthcare system works as a 3rd payer system could never work if it's government run. In our current system, doctors overcharge or markup their services to the insurance company. The insurance company fights to pay less. There is a constant struggle between the healthcare provider and the payer (insurance company). The patient is none the wiser. If the government were to become the payer as well as control the regulations, healthcare providers would be forced to take whatever the government decides to pay. This is called slave labor. This would be like in the NFL if QBs also called penalties.

ehhhh, kinda (in theory). But in practicality, affordable health care becomes a reality for all. And healthcare professionals would see no disruption in income for the most part. Remember, specialty services would be available for those that want to pay.

No system is perfect, but universal healthcare has shown to be better than what we have. We are the highest cost per individual for healthcare in all 1st world countries, with the highest lack of access to healthcare to boot. That is sickening.

[Hawkeye15]

You said you are in the top 10% of earners and that earners should contribute 70% of all income taxes. Take 70% of your check and donate it. Go ahead.

follow the math.........

the top 10% control 70% of the wealth. Therefore, they should pay 70% of the income taxes.

That doesn't mean I (or anyone in the top 10%) pay 70% income tax. It means, if there is $1Billion in taxes collected, the top 10% should have paid $700M of that.

[Hawkeye15]

1) I said need.
2) Cause they do so well at what they do run. Nope, they need to run less. They need to stay in their lanes.
3) Sure is a need. Car is needed in urban areas tremendously. Hardly anyone can get by without a car. Public transportation? Sure some can, however that is in essence an on going cost that is often more than someone having their own vehicle.
4) You can't prove it. You want people to keep working hard so that all the money goes elsewhere. The one not listening here seems to be you.

Sure I can. And nope, I want the people who work hard yet can barely stay afloat (or worse, are sinking) to get some of that money that Tom Cruise is spending on his 5th house.

Regarding a car, my sister doesn't own one (lives in Chicago), and my brother doesn't own one (D.C.). The cost to park it, insure it, and hell even finding parking isn't worth it when you use it 1 every other week. Easier to just rent a car for a day if leaving town.

Healthcare is needed by literally everyone. Cars, are not. It's a bad example.

[brett05]

That is your opinion though. You do it with your 401k without taxation fyi.

Also (and you know this), but when you do your taxes, they do a 3 year look. So if you lost 10k last year, and made 10k this year, they offset and you don't pay taxes.

I get your viewpoint, but again, you are also talking about something half our population doesn't even have enough money to access, so boo hoo if you have stock market problems man. Sorry.

Again, problems for the wealthy just don't concern me, nor should they concern anyone in our population except the wealthy individual. I am more worried that inner city kids can go to school without surviving being the expectation, than someone who had to pay taxes on investments they made with spare cash laying around.

Not caring about such a large percentage of the population is the Left Platform.

[brett05]

follow the math.........

the top 10% control 70% of the wealth. Therefore, they should pay 70% of the income taxes.

That doesn't mean I (or anyone in the top 10%) pay 70% income tax. It means, if there is $1Billion in taxes collected, the top 10% should have paid $700M of that.

Given the projects the left wants, you are right. It would be more like 98-100%
Nice try, but you want to bankrupt this country. That has to be stopped.

[valade16]

So the way our current healthcare system works as a 3rd payer system could never work if it's government run. In our current system, doctors overcharge or markup their services to the insurance company. The insurance company fights to pay less. There is a constant struggle between the healthcare provider and the payer (insurance company). The patient is none the wiser. If the government were to become the payer as well as control the regulations, healthcare providers would be forced to take whatever the government decides to pay. This is called slave labor. This would be like in the NFL if QBs also called penalties.

You realize every country that has a government run health system pays less for these things than we do right? That's because the country as a whole has collective bargaining power that individual hospitals and patients do not. If a drug company wants to sell their drugs for an exorbitant price the Government can just get it from someone who sells it cheaper, that keeps costs low.

[brett05]

Sure I can. And nope, I want the people who work hard yet can barely stay afloat (or worse, are sinking) to get some of that money that Tom Cruise is spending on his 5th house.

Regarding a car, my sister doesn't own one (lives in Chicago), and my brother doesn't own one (D.C.). The cost to park it, insure it, and hell even finding parking isn't worth it when you use it 1 every other week. Easier to just rent a car for a day if leaving town.

Healthcare is needed by literally everyone. Cars, are not. It's a bad example.

You speak of the exceptions and not the rule. Good for you.

[valade16]

Not caring about such a large percentage of the population is the Left Platform.

This has to be a joke right? You're literally arguing about not caring about the 90% in favor of the top 10%...