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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    Rather than being outright dismissive without checking, I decided to look into prager u

    https://adfontesmedia.com/interactiv...ink_and_Button

    They're quite biased, opinionated, and unreliable as a news source.

    Also, i'm not sure about other people but I would be fine waiting a little longer in line for a non-emergent issue if it means I'm not going to owe some rich dude thousands of dollars for something that costs way less and can be covered by the government (who would currently rather spend billions on destroying other countries).
    Try speaking of the data and not the source the data comes from. You join dbroncodini on the invalid debate tactics will only get you approval from the folks on the left here that are ignorant on how to actually make arguments (which are almost all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    First Bolded: Actually with healthcare itís the opposite. When going to the doctor costs more money than you can afford, people generally donít go as much. They donít get as many checkups, donít fix as many problems, etc. and their health deteriorates to where their condition is so bad it requires attention it costs far more than had they gone for the regular checkups (which usually they canít pay and so those costs get passed on to everyone else).

    There is a term for this in the medical community: preventative care. Countries with free healthcare are way better at preventative care because they go to the doctor for regular checkups and stuff more because they donít have to worry about whether they can afford to do so.

    Second Bolded: If you donít think the system should be for profit, but youíre against universal healthcare. What system do you think would be best?
    People have been hitting the ER for basic care. Just ask our two resident Medical folks. They've said it before I am almost certain.

    I think all jobs should offer insurance.
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    The KKK vote republican.
    There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    People have been hitting the ER for basic care. Just ask our two resident Medical folks. They've said it before I am almost certain.

    I think all jobs should offer insurance.
    what do you think happens when you go to the ER? They bill you. If you can't pay, you go to collections.

    Now, are there instances where illegals take their kids to the ER for a cold because they don't have insurance, and know they can't be turned away? Yes. They know a bill may come there way, but there is no real recourse to collecting. But we are talking about a very, very small portion here.

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    Small portion Brett love arguing about little things that don't reflect the whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Try speaking of the data and not the source the data comes from. You join dbroncodini on the invalid debate tactics will only get you approval from the folks on the left here that are ignorant on how to actually make arguments (which are almost all).
    No one outside of your fellow brain-dead conservatives will put an ounce of stock in to the information shared by a trash organization like PragerU. Not to mention that everything about your existence on this site is the very definition of ignorance, yet you constantly claim the same about people who present sane and rational arguments to you.

    You are an ignorant clown with an oversized ego, just like so many of your fellow dopes on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    People have been hitting the ER for basic care. Just ask our two resident Medical folks. They've said it before I am almost certain.

    I think all jobs should offer insurance.
    Yes, basic care. Not preventative care. They need to go to the ER for basic care because they arenít going to the doctor for preventive careÖ

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    The KKK vote republican.
    The KKK for the most part is gone, however it's start and majority of its existence and ugliness is all the Dems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    what do you think happens when you go to the ER? They bill you. If you can't pay, you go to collections.

    Now, are there instances where illegals take their kids to the ER for a cold because they don't have insurance, and know they can't be turned away? Yes. They know a bill may come there way, but there is no real recourse to collecting. But we are talking about a very, very small portion here.
    Is it a small portion? I'd love to hear from someone that is working in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Small portion Brett love arguing about little things that don't reflect the whole.
    Says the pro-abortion to save the life of a mother or rape crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Yes, basic care. Not preventative care. They need to go to the ER for basic care because they arenít going to the doctor for preventive careÖ
    Let's be honest.
    Hardly anyone goes for preventative care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Let's be honest.
    Hardly anyone goes for preventative care.
    In America, they do much more frequently in other countries. And thatís my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Says the pro-abortion to save the life of a mother or rape crowd.
    Just can't be a women's choice, but sign me up for the life of the mother or rape crowd and the "I don't want this damn baby cause I am a Methhead whore needing money not a mouth to feed crowd as well. Get ready to find dead babies in dumpsters and road side bathroom. Crack head whores being throw down steps by their pimps to end a pregancy or dead girls in abandon underground abortion site. Before abortion was legal, I can remember my mom, a RN, being approach several times to help with backroom abortions. Some will take up the offer for the money or even now with the feminists.

    You never seem to get is that legal abortion is needed to prevent the heinous of it being done in back allies, unsupervised and unregulated. The simplistic world view of the anti-abortionist is by prohibiting by law will end abortion. They just made worst. Your stance doesn't deal with the blowback of this decisions. How are you going to stop rich people from getting abortion? I am sure there are some Trump's bastards who never saw the light of day.

    Didn't learn a damn thing from outlawing beer or drugs. People will get what they want. The republicans will become repressive and more repressive to achieve the impossible, ending abortion in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Is it a small portion? I'd love to hear from someone that is working in the field.
    or you can just go look it up...

    https://www.uclahealth.org/u-magazin...ted-immigrants

    https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/7761.pdf

    uninsured immigrants are far less likely to visit the ER than insured Americans. And consider we have what, 11 million illegal immigrants in the US? There are over 300 million people in the US.

    So yeah, small potatoes here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    The KKK for the most part is gone, however it's start and majority of its existence and ugliness is all the Dems.
    Wes is just an old fart living with a warped and addled mind set about racism and who actual racists are. He is basically the Mad Maxine Waters of this board. For anyone to even mention the KKK as any kind of popular group within Republican ranks just illustrates their own ignorance. For that matter other than the actual past history of the KKK which shows the Dems being the Party of the KKK when it really was a legitimate terrorist organization in this country, the KKK has become basically a Mel Brooks type joke club.

    The real racist threats are Black Lives Matter and Antifa who are organizing and executing attacks on cops and white people across teh country and it will be a cattle prod to another summer(s) of hate beginning very soon. Eventually they will spark a response in kind from gang like low-lives like the Proud Boys and the media will play it up as white racism but ignore who caused what.

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