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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    And I’ve found that most people who have interpretations of the Bible that veer from “what’s widely agreed upon” are the most likely to be worth listening to (Robin R. Meyers of Oklahoma City’s Mayflower Congregational United Church of Christ comes to mind).
    Of course you do.

    Admittedly, I had never heard of this guy, but this made me laugh.

    Meyers eschews evangelical Christianity's emphasis on salvation and does not think that Christians need to believe in conventional marks of the Church, including Jesus' physical resurrection, ascension into heaven, virgin birth or position as the son of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    Of course you do.

    Admittedly, I had never heard of this guy, but this made me laugh.

    Meyers eschews evangelical Christianity's emphasis on salvation and does not think that Christians need to believe in conventional marks of the Church, including Jesus' physical resurrection, ascension into heaven, virgin birth or position as the son of God.
    Yes, good for him.

    And like I said, very much worth listening to — especially when compared with the slop that the Bretts of this world promote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    I have found that most people who have interpretations of the Bible that veer from what's widely agreed upon don't believe much of the book as a whole and don't care to learn it.
    Sure, but even restricting it to what is widely agreed upon, there are still differences of opinions. It's why there are literally many different sects of Christianity.

    If you're saying all those sects are wrong except yours... well, that's exactly my point.

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    "Widely agreed upon" is so conveniently ambiguous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    "Widely agreed upon" is so conveniently ambiguous.
    Oh, I think we know perfectly well what he meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    "Widely agreed upon" is so conveniently ambiguous.
    Zactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    Of course you do.

    Admittedly, I had never heard of this guy, but this made me laugh.

    Meyers eschews evangelical Christianity's emphasis on salvation and does not think that Christians need to believe in conventional marks of the Church, including Jesus' physical resurrection, ascension into heaven, virgin birth or position as the son of God.
    Meyers is no Christian so it's no surprise he does not know things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Meyers is no Christian so it's no surprise he does not know things.
    Doesn’t it say in the Bible that the only person who can truly know who is or isn’t a believer is God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Doesn’t it say in the Bible that the only person who can truly know who is or isn’t a believer is God?
    All depends on the “widely agreed upon” interpretation of the text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Doesn’t it say in the Bible that the only person who can truly know who is or isn’t a believer is God?
    God said we will know them by their fruit. So yes and no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    God said we will know them by their fruit. So yes and no.
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    That definitely sounds like something not open to interpretation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    That definitely sounds like something not open to interpretation...
    We are not God so we won't know 100% who is saved and not. God does not ask a believer to know that.
    The topic is dogmatic. There is no dogma for a Christian to know who is and is not a fellow Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    We are not God so we won't know 100% who is saved and not. God does not ask a believer to know that. The topic is dogmatic. There is no dogma for a Christian to know who is and is not a fellow Christian.
    And yet you manage to know with extreme certainty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    And yet you manage to know with extreme certainty.
    I can’t imagine how you come to that conclusion…

    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Meyers is no Christian….

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    And yet you manage to know with extreme certainty.
    Words have meanings. Ask your professor to explain that to you.
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