Is this your god?

[dbroncos78087]

For note I won't be coming back to this thread. Just sharing so people can see how vile religion is.

[Crovash]

Don’t worry.

No one else will come back to this thread either.

[brett05]

you can find this type of person in all walks of life. That does not make it right or the norm. FTR, this person is wrong. Someone should have escorted him off the pulpit

[catman]

you can find this type of person in all walks of life. That does not make it right or the norm. FTR, this person is wrong. Someone should have escorted him off the pulpit

He never should have been in the pulpit to begin with. Bigotry and hatred are not what Jesus taught.

[brett05]

He never should have been in the pulpit to begin with. Bigotry and hatred are not what Jesus taught.

agreed

[Crovash]

He never should have been in the pulpit to begin with.

agreed

But he is. That’s on you.

[catman]

But he is. That’s on you.

I thought you weren't coming back to the thread. And, no it is not on me.

[fanofclendennon]

He never should have been in the pulpit to begin with. Bigotry and hatred are not what Jesus taught.

I think the point is God and Jesus ultimately are whatever you want them to be. They can be used to justify any belief at all. After all, it’s not like we can ask them directly, “Hey! What are your thoughts on this?” Instead, all we can do is pick and choose texts that are attributed to them but possibly have nothing to do with them at all.

It’s just one reason why I’m an atheist.

[Crovash]

I thought you weren't coming back to the thread.

I lied.

And, no it is not on me.

Maybe not on you individually, but on those who call themselves Christians.

These kinds of vitriolic folks — including those who, for example, tell children that they are going to hell if they sin — also call themselves themselves Christians.

Maybe time to clean your own house.

[brett05]

I think the point is God and Jesus ultimately are whatever you want them to be. They can be used to justify any belief at all. After all, it’s not like we can ask them directly, “Hey! What are your thoughts on this?” Instead, all we can do is pick and choose texts that are attributed to them but possibly have nothing to do with them at all.

It’s just one reason why I’m an atheist.

If you take the time, you'll see the legitimacy of the Bible.

If you do, you'll see the "pick and choose" method is not remotely true.

[fanofclendennon]

If you take the time, you'll see the legitimacy of the Bible.

If you do, you'll see the "pick and choose" method is not remotely true.

Uh huh. Are you saying there are no instances at all, none whatsoever, where the Bible doesn’t contradict itself?

Everything written is 100 percent crystal clear, nothing left for individual interpretation?

EDIT: I admit I just asked you a loaded question. That’s an impossible standard to meet, 100 percent crystal clear for everyone.

But that’s sort of my point. It’s not like the original author is around to take questions on Fox News or CNN or even The View for that matter. At best It’s kind of up to every reader to figure it out for himself. And at worst, it’s left for others to tell us what it all means.

See the problem?

No. No you don’t. And that right there is THE problem.

[natepro]

For a book "divinely inspired" by the creator of literally everything, it shouldn't be an impossible standard to meet. If you believe your deity created humans and their minds and knows all things even before they happen, then creating a book - the understanding of which is necessary to not be tortured for all of eternity - that is fully crystal clear to anyone who reads it should be trivial.

If, instead, it was written by Iron Age desert dwellers who liked to borrow things from other religions and the whole thing was cobbled together across a handful of centuries, then the contradictions and bizarre, unnecessary parts included in what was decided would be the Biblical cannon makes a lot more sense.

[Crovash]

If you take the time, you'll see the legitimacy of the Bible.

“legitimacy”

Perfect word here because it is absolutely meaningless in context.

[fanofclendennon]

For a book "divinely inspired" by the creator of literally everything, it shouldn't be an impossible standard to meet. If you believe your deity created humans and their minds and knows all things even before they happen, then creating a book - the understanding of which is necessary to not be tortured for all of eternity - that is fully crystal clear to anyone who reads it should be trivial.

If, instead, it was written by Iron Age desert dwellers who liked to borrow things from other religions and the whole thing was cobbled together across a handful of centuries, then the contradictions and bizarre, unnecessary parts included in what was decided would be the Biblical cannon makes a lot more sense.

Lol, there’s that, sure.

[brett05]

Uh huh. Are you saying there are no instances at all, none whatsoever, where the Bible doesn’t contradict itself?

Everything written is 100 percent crystal clear, nothing left for individual interpretation?

EDIT: I admit I just asked you a loaded question. That’s an impossible standard to meet, 100 percent crystal clear for everyone.

But that’s sort of my point. It’s not like the original author is around to take questions on Fox News or CNN or even The View for that matter. At best It’s kind of up to every reader to figure it out for himself. And at worst, it’s left for others to tell us what it all means.

See the problem?

No. No you don’t. And that right there is THE problem.

Do you know that words of even ancient times follow a standard?
Did you know that the standard applies to more than just the Bible?

That's the PROBLEM that you have.