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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoba Rama View Post
    What do I think Judge is worth? 8 years, $280 million. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets more than that though.
    I think that would have gotten it done this past off season but if he stays healthy and puts up the numbers he has been? I think we are looking closer to 40 per.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I think that would have gotten it done this past off season but if he stays healthy and puts up the numbers he has been? I think we are looking closer to 40 per.
    I tend to agree. Judge turned down $230.5 million for the next eight seasons, Yankees offer was $17 million for the 2022 season plus $30.5 million per season for the next seven years, according to Cashman.

    Hereís a full look at the highest-paid MLB players for this season based on average annual salary, according to Spotrac :

    1. Max Scherzer, New York Mets: $43,333,333

    2. Gerrit Cole, New York Yankees: $36 million

    3. Mike Trout, Los Angeles Angels: $35,541,667

    4. Carlos Correa, Minnesota Twins: $35.1 million

    T-5. Stephen Strasburg, Washington Nationals: $35 million

    T-5. Anthony Rendon, Los Angeles Angels: $35 million

    7. Francisco Lindor, New York Mets: $34.1 million

    8. Trevor Bauer, Los Angeles Dodgers: $34 million

    T-9. Corey Seager, Texas Rangers: $32.5 million

    T-9. Nolan Arenado, St. Louis Cardinals: $32.5 million

    T-11. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers: $31 million

    T-11. David Price, Los Angeles Dodgers: $31 million

    13. Mookie Betts, Los Angeles Dodgers: $30,416,667

    14. Manny Machado, San Diego Padres: $30 million

    15. Chris Sale, Boston Red Sox: $29 million

    16. Jacob deGrom, New York Mets: $27.5 million

    17. Freddie Freeman, Los Angeles Dodgers: $27 million

    18. Christian Yelich, Milwaukee Brewers: $26,928,571

    T-19. Paul Goldschmidt, St. Louis Cardinals: $26 million

    T-19. Kris Bryant, Colorado Rockies: $26 million

    21. Bryce Harper, Philadelphia Phillies: $25,384,615

    T-22 Giancarlo Stanton, New York Yankees: $25 million

    T-22. Marcus Semien, Texas Rangers: $25 million

    T-22. Justin Verlander, Houston Astros: $25 million

    T-22. George Springer, Toronto Blue Jays: $25 million

    26. Jose Ramirez, Cleveland Guardians: $24.8 million

    27. Fernando Tatis Jr., San Diego Padres: $24,285,714

    28. Robinson Cano, New York Mets: $24 million

    29. Marcus Stroman, Chicago Cubs: $23,666,667

    30. Zack Wheeler, Philadelphia Phillies: $23.6 million

    31. Jose Altuve, Houston Astros: $23,357,143

    T-32. Patrick Corbin, Washington Nationals: $23,333,333

    T-32. Javier Baez, Detroit Tigers: $23,333,333

    T-32. Trevor Story, Boston Red Sox: $23,333,333

    35. J.T. Realmuto, Philadelphia Phillies: $23.1 million

    T-36. Robbie Ray, Seattle Mariners: $23 million

    T-36. Josh Donaldson, New York Yankees: $23 million

    T-36. Jason Heyward, Chicago Cubs: $23 million

    39. Joey Votto, Cincinnati Reds: $22.5 million

    T-40. J.D. Martinez, Boston Red Sox: $22 million

    T-40. Kevin Gausman, Toronto Blue Jays: $22 million

    T-40. Carlos Rodon, San Francisco Giants: $22 million

    T-43. Noah Syndergaard, Los Angeles Angels: $21 million

    T-43. Yu Darvish, San Diego Padres: $21 million

    T-43. Trea Turner, Los Angeles Dodgers: $21 million

    T-43. Matt Olson, Atlanta Braves: $21 million

    47. Salvador Perez, Kansas City Royals: $20.5 million

    T-48. Xander Bogaerts, Boston Red Sox: $20 million

    T-48. Alex Bregman, Houston Astros: $20 million

    T-48. Nick Castellanos, Philadelphia Phillies: $20 million

    T-48. Hyun-Jin Ryu, Toronto Blue Jays: $20 million

    T-48. Charlie Morton, Atlanta Braves: $20 million

    Take out the pitchers, where are Judge's comps? He's the face of the franchise and should be paid as such. However there also needs to be realistic comps.

    I love Judge and want to see him retire in pinstripes. BUT is he worth more than Trout?

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    This is a really good artice about what going on with Lo and what Blake needs to help him fix. https://www.pinstripealley.com/2022/...source=twitter

    Its not a huge adjustment and Blake is so good about helping pitchers make those adjustment on the fly. We already have the best BP in baseball, with our best reliever from last yr not performing well. If Lo can make that adjustment, our BP becomes stupid good

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    I tend to agree. Judge turned down $230.5 million for the next eight seasons, Yankees offer was $17 million for the 2022 season plus $30.5 million per season for the next seven years, according to Cashman.

    Hereís a full look at the highest-paid MLB players for this season based on average annual salary, according to Spotrac :

    1. Max Scherzer, New York Mets: $43,333,333

    2. Gerrit Cole, New York Yankees: $36 million

    3. Mike Trout, Los Angeles Angels: $35,541,667

    4. Carlos Correa, Minnesota Twins: $35.1 million

    T-5. Stephen Strasburg, Washington Nationals: $35 million

    T-5. Anthony Rendon, Los Angeles Angels: $35 million

    7. Francisco Lindor, New York Mets: $34.1 million

    8. Trevor Bauer, Los Angeles Dodgers: $34 million

    T-9. Corey Seager, Texas Rangers: $32.5 million

    T-9. Nolan Arenado, St. Louis Cardinals: $32.5 million

    T-11. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers: $31 million

    T-11. David Price, Los Angeles Dodgers: $31 million

    13. Mookie Betts, Los Angeles Dodgers: $30,416,667

    14. Manny Machado, San Diego Padres: $30 million

    15. Chris Sale, Boston Red Sox: $29 million

    16. Jacob deGrom, New York Mets: $27.5 million

    17. Freddie Freeman, Los Angeles Dodgers: $27 million

    18. Christian Yelich, Milwaukee Brewers: $26,928,571

    T-19. Paul Goldschmidt, St. Louis Cardinals: $26 million

    T-19. Kris Bryant, Colorado Rockies: $26 million

    21. Bryce Harper, Philadelphia Phillies: $25,384,615

    T-22 Giancarlo Stanton, New York Yankees: $25 million

    T-22. Marcus Semien, Texas Rangers: $25 million

    T-22. Justin Verlander, Houston Astros: $25 million

    T-22. George Springer, Toronto Blue Jays: $25 million

    26. Jose Ramirez, Cleveland Guardians: $24.8 million

    27. Fernando Tatis Jr., San Diego Padres: $24,285,714

    28. Robinson Cano, New York Mets: $24 million

    29. Marcus Stroman, Chicago Cubs: $23,666,667

    30. Zack Wheeler, Philadelphia Phillies: $23.6 million

    31. Jose Altuve, Houston Astros: $23,357,143

    T-32. Patrick Corbin, Washington Nationals: $23,333,333

    T-32. Javier Baez, Detroit Tigers: $23,333,333

    T-32. Trevor Story, Boston Red Sox: $23,333,333

    35. J.T. Realmuto, Philadelphia Phillies: $23.1 million

    T-36. Robbie Ray, Seattle Mariners: $23 million

    T-36. Josh Donaldson, New York Yankees: $23 million

    T-36. Jason Heyward, Chicago Cubs: $23 million

    39. Joey Votto, Cincinnati Reds: $22.5 million

    T-40. J.D. Martinez, Boston Red Sox: $22 million

    T-40. Kevin Gausman, Toronto Blue Jays: $22 million

    T-40. Carlos Rodon, San Francisco Giants: $22 million

    T-43. Noah Syndergaard, Los Angeles Angels: $21 million

    T-43. Yu Darvish, San Diego Padres: $21 million

    T-43. Trea Turner, Los Angeles Dodgers: $21 million

    T-43. Matt Olson, Atlanta Braves: $21 million

    47. Salvador Perez, Kansas City Royals: $20.5 million

    T-48. Xander Bogaerts, Boston Red Sox: $20 million

    T-48. Alex Bregman, Houston Astros: $20 million

    T-48. Nick Castellanos, Philadelphia Phillies: $20 million

    T-48. Hyun-Jin Ryu, Toronto Blue Jays: $20 million

    T-48. Charlie Morton, Atlanta Braves: $20 million

    Take out the pitchers, where are Judge's comps? He's the face of the franchise and should be paid as such. However there also needs to be realistic comps.

    I love Judge and want to see him retire in pinstripes. BUT is he worth more than Trout?
    I don't think he's worth more than Trout, but Trout never hit the open market either. Trout probably could have done much better if we went to FA, he actually signed a pretty team friendly deal so they could continue to put other pieces around him. BTW does anyone know what Trouts deal would be worth if it was signed this yr? closer to 40m i would think?

    If Judge stays healthy and has the type of yr he's on pace for, I think it's going to take 8yrs and somewhere between 37-40M AAV. Probably going to have to give him a no trade, a couple of opt outs and possibly 1-2 yrs of options

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    That list is exactly why I say heís not at or near 40M, and not for
    8 or more years. Those guys get those long term, big deals being well below 30. We saying heís best in the game? He is very good, but that good?

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    The question isn't if he's the best player, it's what he's worth on the open market and what he's worth to the Yankees.

    He's home grown and the face of the franchise. Unless they can get Soto, it's going to be very, very difficult to replace his production.

    Ten yrs is to long but to have any shot at signing him it's gonna take 8yrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    The question isn't if he's the best player, it's what he's worth on the open market and what he's worth to the Yankees.

    He's home grown and the face of the franchise. Unless they can get Soto, it's going to be very, very difficult to replace his production.

    Ten yrs is to long but to have any shot at signing him it's gonna take 8yrs
    So if heís not worth that on the open market? We have to pay over, because heís the face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    I don't think he's worth more than Trout, but Trout never hit the open market either. Trout probably could have done much better if we went to FA, he actually signed a pretty team friendly deal so they could continue to put other pieces around him. BTW does anyone know what Trouts deal would be worth if it was signed this yr? closer to 40m i would think?

    If Judge stays healthy and has the type of yr he's on pace for, I think it's going to take 8yrs and somewhere between 37-40M AAV. Probably going to have to give him a no trade, a couple of opt outs and possibly 1-2 yrs of options
    Excellent point, one I had forgotten about and failed to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    So if heís not worth that on the open market? We have to pay over, because heís the face?
    In a nut shell....Yes. Sad but true. Won't be the first time the Yankees have over paid. Who is more deserving? They over paid A-Rod and he wasn't even home grown.

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    300m over 8 years (because it sounds so much more than 299.5) -lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    In a nut shell....Yes. Sad but true. Won't be the first time the Yankees have over paid. Who is more deserving? They over paid A-Rod and he wasn't even home grown.
    Which was the dumbest thing they did. When he had zero market, and came crawling back, and got every dollar he wanted. Zero reason for that. If it plays out the same, you do it with Judge right now? No, you give him a fair offer, like you already did.

    And overpay a bit is cool. Overpay a lot isnít. 8 years(or more) at 40M per is ridiculous. No thanks. Even if that is the market, pass
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    Which was the dumbest thing they did. When he had zero market, and came crawling back, and got every dollar he wanted. Zero reason for that. If it plays out the same, you do it with Judge right now? No, you give him a fair offer, like you already did.

    And overpay a bit is cool. Overpay a lot isnít. 8 years(or more) at 40M per is ridiculous. No thanks. Even if that is the market, pass
    Then how do you replace that production? His agent can market him as an above avg CFer with .290 50hr 120 RBIs, other that Trout who else in baseball can do that? He won't play CF for more than half the contract, but over the last 2yrs he's shown he can legit play and prefers CF

    We don't have a spec on the farm that can even come close to that kind of production or even close.

    The dumbest thing a franchise can do, especially one with the pockets as deep as the Yankees is to lose a top 5 player who is the face of the franchise and home grown for absolutely nothing. Very hard for a franchise to do that and stay competitive

    about the only guy you could possibly get to replace him is Soto. It's hard to imagine Washington trading Soto when they are trying to sell the franchise. Even if they did, it would probably cost us at a minimum of our top 5 specs and it's going to cost you 500m to extend him

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Then how do you replace that production? His agent can market him as an above avg CFer with .290 50hr 120 RBIs, other that Trout who else in baseball can do that? He won't play CF for more than half the contract, but over the last 2yrs he's shown he can legit play and prefers CF

    We don't have a spec on the farm that can even come close to that kind of production or even close.

    The dumbest thing a franchise can do, especially one with the pockets as deep as the Yankees is to lose a top 5 player who is the face of the franchise and home grown for absolutely nothing. Very hard for a franchise to do that and stay competitive

    about the only guy you could possibly get to replace him is Soto. It's hard to imagine Washington trading Soto when they are trying to sell the franchise. Even if they did, it would probably cost us at a minimum of our top 5 specs and it's going to cost you 500m to extend him
    Who knows. I guess itís just my opinion. It all goes back to ďmaking a move just becauseĒ. I donít believe that market exists for him. Weíll see. Obviously the Yankees donít think so either

    Deep pockets, or shallow pockets, dumb moves are dumb.

    If he gets hurt consistently, like he has done, youíll need to replace his numbers too. 50 HR and 120 RBI are numbers hes reached zero times. He only had 50 or close once, and hit 100 once. So thatís quite the stretch
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Then how do you replace that production? His agent can market him as an above avg CFer with .290 50hr 120 RBIs, other that Trout who else in baseball can do that? He won't play CF for more than half the contract, but over the last 2yrs he's shown he can legit play and prefers CF

    We don't have a spec on the farm that can even come close to that kind of production or even close.

    The dumbest thing a franchise can do, especially one with the pockets as deep as the Yankees is to lose a top 5 player who is the face of the franchise and home grown for absolutely nothing. Very hard for a franchise to do that and stay competitive

    about the only guy you could possibly get to replace him is Soto. It's hard to imagine Washington trading Soto when they are trying to sell the franchise. Even if they did, it would probably cost us at a minimum of our top 5 specs and it's going to cost you 500m to extend him

    Itís not the dollars Iím concerned with itís the years. Even if we gave him an 8 year deal the last 3 years of that deal could look awful ugly. But I absolutely agree losing the face of the franchise is not a good road to go down.

    Would you do 6 years 300 million? Yes I know thatís 50 million a year but would you rather give him that for 6 or his request for 10.

    I know itís easy for me to say itís not my money but I think Hal can afford it, my concern whether it be dollars or length is how it hampers and restricts the rest of the roster.

    This is a tough call, I love Judge and since heís changed his training routine with more stretching it has seemed to help not only him but Stanton as well as far as health goes.

    These 8-10 year deals never end well


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    Quote Originally Posted by runnermjr1296 View Post
    Itís not the dollars Iím concerned with itís the years. Even if we gave him an 8 year deal the last 3 years of that deal could look awful ugly. But I absolutely agree losing the face of the franchise is not a good road to go down.

    Would you do 6 years 300 million? Yes I know thatís 50 million a year but would you rather give him that for 6 or his request for 10.

    I know itís easy for me to say itís not my money but I think Hal can afford it, my concern whether it be dollars or length is how it hampers and restricts the rest of the roster.

    This is a tough call, I love Judge and since heís changed his training routine with more stretching it has seemed to help not only him but Stanton as well as far as health goes.

    These 8-10 year deals never end well


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    The problem is the luxury tax. If you commit 50 million dollars a year to Judge, you have 3 guys who account for 115 million dollars in payroll for the next 6 or more years. You have to then fill 23 other spots and find a way to stay under 290 million because that's a threshold the Yankees don't presumably want to cross. I'd bet the Yankees would want to stay under that 250 mark if they could as well.

    Its a tough scenario because the odds are Judge might have a career year which means you're paying him at apex price. I'm not saying you can get the quality of the player Judge is but corner OFers who hit well are not impossible to find.
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