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  1. #10891
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    Then who determines what is excessive? And how is it determined? What is excessive?
    Again, if you don't know, simply admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The answer to that question is: thatís up for the trier of fact (the jury) to decide, in the same way itís up for them to decide whether someone committed murder.

    From looking at the case law briefly, I can tell you it probably needs to be much higher than 3-6% for a jury to find them guilty of price gouging.
    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Then who determines what is excessive? And how is it determined? What is excessive?
    Again, if you don't know, simply admit it.


    "It is a grotesque parody of the bazaar at Marrakech, as if dumb animals had been granted only the amount of sentience required to mock humanity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    You want to leave this up to a group of people that may or may not know what is going on? I don't really need to ask this question. You do this all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Then who determines what is excessive? And how is it determined? What is excessive?
    Again, if you don't know, simply admit it.
    Who determines?

    Again; the jury at the trial

    How is it determined?

    Via a trial

    What is excessive?

    When someone grossly increases the normal price of the product (as determined by its price the week prior to a disaster compared to its price during a disaster.


    I do know. Iíve told you several times. How youíre still struggling is ****ing bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    I'm not struggling at all. I simply want to know what percentage is going to be considered excessive. Is 3% excessive? How about 6%? Again, if you don't know the answer, just say so.
    As I said, this is why nothing gets accomplished with bills of this nature.
    Back to the catman failsafe: mindlessly repeating yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The answer to that question is: thatís up for the trier of fact (the jury) to decide, in the same way itís up for them to decide whether someone committed murder.

    From looking at the case law briefly, I can tell you it probably needs to be much higher than 3-6% for a jury to find them guilty of price gouging.
    OK it has to be higher than 6% to be considered excessive. What number do you think a jury would find to be excessive?
    Again, the bill is poorly explained. They use nebulous terms that mean different things to different people. Some would say that 1% is excessive, others would say that 10% is not excessive. Some would say that having 20% of the market constitutes an unfair advantage, others would say that it does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    You want to leave this up to a group of people that may or may not know what is going on? I don't really need to ask this question. You do this all the time.
    So you're disqualifying yourself, then? He literally already answered the question. Grow up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Who determines?

    Again; the jury at the trial

    How is it determined?

    Via a trial

    What is excessive?

    When someone grossly increases the normal price of the product (as determined by its price the week prior to a disaster compared to its price during a disaster.


    I do know. Iíve told you several times. How youíre still struggling is ****ing bizarre.
    I'm not struggling at all. As I said before, if you don't know the answers just admit it. These terms are so nebulous that they can mean anything.
    Edit:
    What defines "grossly increases the normal price of the product" and who?
    Last edited by catman; 11-23-2022 at 06:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Back to the catman failsafe: mindlessly repeating yourself.
    Spliff, I leave mindlessness completely up to you. You are the absolute expert at that trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Again, the bill is poorly explained. They use nebulous terms that mean different things to different people. Some would say that 1% is excessive, others would say that 10% is not excessive. Some would say that having 20% of the market constitutes an unfair advantage, others would say that it does not.

    Edit again -- I pushed the wrong button
    But again the terms have a precise legal meaning. At trial, a jury is given an instruction on what the legal definition is. They arenít using their personal definition, they must use the legal definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    I'm not struggling at all. As I said before, if you don't know the answers just admit it. These terms are so nebulous that they can mean anything.
    Wait until you read about most other laws, Mr Mayor.


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    It seems like Catmanís complaint is not with this specific bill, but the entire legal systemÖ

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    This can't be a serious question. The definitions within the context of the bill are the legal definitions of those terms. Who determines who exceeds them are the judges who will hear any case brought against them for violation of this bill. Like how every other law works...
    Just some friendly advice, you're trying to teach a pig to dance...

    It's never going to learn and is just going to frustrate you.
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    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
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    And if people got **** counsel, well they had to die so the court could move fasterÖbut tell me again how pro-life you are!
    I was told there would be pro-life! Not pro-death!
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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Wait until you read about most other laws, Mr Mayor.
    Nate, if you don't know the answer, simply admit it. I have written more laws (ordinances) than you have. I know how they should be written and who interprets them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It seems like Catmanís complaint is not with this specific bill, but the entire legal systemÖ
    Yes it is. We need to be far more specific with our laws than we are. Ill-defined terms are very useful when you are trying to placate your constituents, but are not particularly useful when you are trying to accomplish things.

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