Joe Biden's Presidency

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The issue is who people believe will pay for those things and how taxing the super rich hurts ingenuity and business. Personally, I think they should absolutely increase taxes on the wealthy in its current stage but how does that happen without giving the GOP some major incentives to jump on board?

As for spending, I'm all for it if its done to improve infrastructure.

If you give me Solar-powered abortion machines, then I'm on board.

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He shoulda named it build back after because that's what they're going to need to do when he's done.

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From western sources. I link to those sources all the time. BBC, NYT, WAPO etc.


I didn't believe the information coming out of the Kremlin, what they said had no barring on my opinion.
No, I didn't believe US INTELLIGENCE due to their long track record of either getting things wrong or actively lying to us.
I never said "I believe the Kremlin" I said, "I don't trust the CIA" your confusing the two.

Most people have been silent about the war. If you want to talk about *good news* (I guess) for Russia, they're about to take Mariupol. I think there less than 1000 resistance fighters left. This would give Russia an uncontested land bridge into Crimea and Ukraine would lose it's largest and most important port.

Odessa is locking down since Russia has begun targeting airfields there.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2022-05-01/
If Russia takes both Mariupol and Odessa, that will make Ukraine completely land locked and unable to be resuplied by sea.

Does it matter when you don’t read your own sources?


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He shoulda named it build back after because that's what they're going to need to do when he's done.

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Does it matter when you don’t read your own sources?


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He's good at dramatically emphasizing random words via the caps lock button though.

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I have to concede that it's not as funny as you thinking he was the right choice.

[valade16]

India has a western democracy. What do you think they use there? Japan has a fully western democracy as well. India maybe more so than any other non-european country in the world has been heavily influenced by Western thought and standards and rules.

Those gun bans didn't work. But Australia doesn't have the same gun culture that we do. The liberal party of Australia is also the one that's pushed for privatized medicine in Australia.

They don't have full socialized medicine. They have a public option, but then you are actively encouraged by the govt to BUY private insurance. That's due to the liberal party (their system works better than Canada's too btw)
The lockdowns in Australia are mixed, the parts that had the most hard-core lockdowns are states run by the Labor party.
What the federal party did was lockdown borders, which once again goes back to the Australian culture being very different than US Culture, they've always taken borders and immigration very seriously.

Hell, the liberal party of Australia was against gay marriage until like 2017-2018.

This is a perfect of example of an American trying to view other countries through an entirely american lens.

Hell, even with LePen, did you know that her party ran on increasing social spending and lowering the age of retirement?
And that Macron supports RAISING the age of retirement and reducing spending, and has a tougher immigration policy than many republicans in the US?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ight-1.4042993
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/24/macr...ge-to-65-.html

First Bolded: Cool, but again irrelevant since I did not say Western style governments but Westenr countries.

Second Bolded: Of course it is, because that’s my point.

My point is, compared to AMERICAN conservatives and American notions of conservatism, the rest of the Western world are not nearly as conservative.

You just proved my point. When looking at other countries’ conservative parties through that countries culture, they are absolutely conservative. When looking at them through the American lens of conservatism, they are not nearly as conservative as we are.

Thank you for proving my point…

[valade16]

From western sources. I link to those sources all the time. BBC, NYT, WAPO etc.

I didn't believe the information coming out of the Kremlin, what they said had no barring on my opinion.
No, I didn't believe US INTELLIGENCE due to their long track record of either getting things wrong or actively lying to us.
I never said "I believe the Kremlin" I said, "I don't trust the CIA" your confusing the two.

Most people have been silent about the war. If you want to talk about *good news* (I guess) for Russia, they're about to take Mariupol. I think there less than 1000 resistance fighters left. This would give Russia an uncontested land bridge into Crimea and Ukraine would lose it's largest and most important port.

Odessa is locking down since Russia has begun targeting airfields there.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2022-05-01/
If Russia takes both Mariupol and Odessa, that will make Ukraine completely land locked and unable to be resuplied by sea.

Nah, it’s not that you didn’t distrust American intelligence, you believed the Kremlin. You flat quoted the Kremlin saying they won’t attack, and believed it. That is not distrusting US intelligence. That is trusting Russian ones.

You also posted constant outright Russian propaganda (definitely not from the BBC or NYT) when the war kicked off about how well Russia was doing, though that obviously aged badly.

I also noticed you were dead silent when the reports came out about Russian troops with being-nazi patches and ties. If you weren’t talking about that solely to denigrate Ukraine but to genuinely be against supporting Nazis, why were you silent on that?

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I have to concede that it's not as funny as you thinking he was the right choice.

Woah!

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Nah, it’s not that you didn’t distrust American intelligence, you believed the Kremlin. You flat quoted the Kremlin saying they won’t attack, and believed it. That is not distrusting US intelligence. That is trusting Russian ones.

You also posted constant outright Russian propaganda (definitely not from the BBC or NYT) when the war kicked off about how well Russia was doing, though that obviously aged badly.

I also noticed you were dead silent when the reports came out about Russian troops with being-nazi patches and ties. If you weren’t talking about that solely to denigrate Ukraine but to genuinely be against supporting Nazis, why were you silent on that?

No, I didn't believe the US Intelligence. That's it. Was the Kremlin saying things that were the opposite of US Intel? Sure, I agree. But that was irrelevant to my skepticism of US Intelligence.

I did criticize things like the Ghost of Kyiv, which even the Ukrainian govt has recently admitted isn't true. And I did question information coming out of the ground. Which we should do in a war zone.

I know a lot of Russians are putting a "Z" on the uniforms and machines, but that's not and has never been a known Nazi insignia.
I was unaware of any Russians using nazi insignia, which if that's true. Those guys 100% suck.
Also, I never argued that the existence of Nazis in Ukraine justified Russia's invasion. There are probably more than two dozen posts of me EXPLICITLY saying the opposite, that Russia doesn't have the right to "de-nazify" any country.
For the record, my stance on Russian Nazis is the same as Ukrainian Nazis. **** THEM! We should not give weapons to Russian Nazi's either.

[valade16]

No, I didn't believe the US Intelligence. That's it. Was the Kremlin saying things that were the opposite of US Intel? Sure, I agree. But that was irrelevant to my skepticism of US Intelligence.

I did criticize things like the Ghost of Kyiv, which even the Ukrainian govt has recently admitted isn't true. And I did question information coming out of the ground. Which we should do in a war zone.

I know a lot of Russians are putting a "Z" on the uniforms and machines, but that's not and has never been a known Nazi insignia.
I was unaware of any Russians using nazi insignia, which if that's true. Those guys 100% suck.
Also, I never argued that the existence of Nazis in Ukraine justified Russia's invasion. There are probably more than two dozen posts of me EXPLICITLY saying the opposite, that Russia doesn't have the right to "de-nazify" any country.
For the record, my stance on Russian Nazis is the same as Ukrainian Nazis. **** THEM! We should not give weapons to Russian Nazi's either.

Nah, you were positing affirmative statements for Russia as opposed to passive repudiation of US intelligence.

We all saw it. Even Tucker Carlson would be hard pressed to have covered as much pro-Russian coverage as you displayed.

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First Bolded: Cool, but again irrelevant since I did not say Western style governments but Westenr countries.

Second Bolded: Of course it is, because that’s my point.

My point is, compared to AMERICAN conservatives and American notions of conservatism, the rest of the Western world are not nearly as conservative.

You just proved my point. When looking at other countries’ conservative parties through that countries culture, they are absolutely conservative. When looking at them through the American lens of conservatism, they are not nearly as conservative as we are.

Thank you for proving my point…

Well, I guess you're right about America being the most conservative country so long as we use an extremely narrow definition and ignore any countervailing evidence and shift the goalposts when needed. Wow how convient.

Except when you look at France, the guy they just elected is more conservitive than the average American in many signifigant ways. Beyond the examples I had previously gave.
They allowed people to use Positive Anti-Body tests instead of getting a covid vax. Is that a liberal Dem position?
His party also banned a muslim woman from running because she was wearing a Hijab in a campaign photo
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ijab-in-poster

I'm saying that Americans broadly speaking don't really understand other countries politics and political cultures.

Hell, the PM of Denmark told Bernie Sanders to stop "Slandering his country by calling it socialist". Even our Politicians don't understand forign countries politics.

[valade16]

Well, I guess you're right about America being the most conservative country so long as we use an extremely narrow definition and ignore any countervailing evidence and shift the goalposts when needed. Wow how convient.

Except when you look at France, the guy they just elected is more conservitive than the average American in many signifigant ways. Beyond the examples I had previously gave.
They allowed people to use Positive Anti-Body tests instead of getting a covid vax. Is that a liberal Dem position?
His party also banned a muslim woman from running because she was wearing a Hijab in a campaign photo
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ijab-in-poster

I'm saying that Americans broadly speaking don't really understand other countries politics and political cultures.

Hell, the PM of Denmark told Bernie Sanders to stop "Slandering his country by calling it socialist". Even our Politicians don't understand forign countries politics.

First Bolded: Except I did none of those things.

Second Bolded: You know I'm right, which is why you use such tepid wording. "in many significant ways".

I'm saying overall. Now go ahead, make everyone laugh and tell me you think France is more conservative overall than the United States. I want to hear you say it.

Third Bolded: Yes, the PM of Denmark told Bernie to stop calling his country socialist. There's a wide gap between not socialist and conservative.

So again, let's hear you say it: do you believe Denmark is more conservative than the US overall.


Hell, we are about to overturn Roe v Wade and abortion will become illegal in many conservative states. The only European country that has outlawed abortion is Malta.


Which of the countries listed do you think is, overall, more conservative than the US? I want to see your list.

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Nah, you were positing affirmative statements for Russia as opposed to passive repudiation of US intelligence.

We all saw it. Even Tucker Carlson would be hard pressed to have covered as much pro-Russian coverage as you displayed.

....just a small boy mimicking his idol.

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Nah, you were positing affirmative statements for Russia as opposed to passive repudiation of US intelligence.

We all saw it. Even Tucker Carlson would be hard pressed to have covered as much pro-Russian coverage as you displayed.

Show it.

Also, you ignored everything I said about "Russian Nazi's"