Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer will retire

[valade16]

My issue is Biden coming out and saying before the election that he’s electing a black minority woman without even considering other races

I don't think he should have explicitly said that's what he was going to do. But I also think that had he not said it and simply picked a black female justice everyone complaining now would still be saying the person was only chosen because of their race and gender.

[valade16]

Personally I think Daniel Cameron or Carlos Muñiz would do a great job.

Let's break this down for a moment.

Daniel Cameron did not graduate from an Ivy League or T14 (or even T50) Law School. He has literally never been a judge a day in his life. He only clerked with a U.S. District Court judge and not a Supreme Court (or even Kentucky Supreme Court) judge.

Compare that record to Ketanji Brown Jackson, who graduated from Harvard Law School, clerked for the Supreme Court (Justice Breyer), and has served as a Judge, first at the District Court level, then on the Appellate level, since 2013.

or Leondra Kruger, who graduated from Yale Law School, clerked for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, and has served on the California Supreme Court since 2015.

If we are talking qualifications, there is very little argument that Cameron's is as qualified as Jackson or Kruger. The only reason I can conjure that you think Cameron would do a great job is that he is a conservative who has close ties to McConnell and would therefore rule in ways you want him to.

So stop talking about qualifications and how a black female is not the best qualified when you float a clearly less qualified individual for the sole reason you believe they will rule how you like.

[natepro]

My issue is Biden coming out and saying before the election that he’s electing a black minority woman without even considering other races


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Sure it is.

[valade16]

Making this outrage even more of a farce, President Reagan literally said he would put a woman on the Supreme Court:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/27/u...ack-woman.html

At a news conference in October of that year — just weeks before Election Day — Reagan promised that, if elected, he would name the first woman to sit on the Supreme Court.


I guess Reagan was a sexist right? I guess Bush Sr was a racist and a sexist for removing white males from consideration.

[dbroncos78087]

Let's break this down for a moment.

Daniel Cameron did not graduate from an Ivy League or T14 (or even T50) Law School. He has literally never been a judge a day in his life. He only clerked with a U.S. District Court judge and not a Supreme Court (or even Kentucky Supreme Court) judge.

Compare that record to Ketanji Brown Jackson, who graduated from Harvard Law School, clerked for the Supreme Court (Justice Breyer), and has served as a Judge, first at the District Court level, then on the Appellate level, since 2013.

or Leondra Kruger, who graduated from Yale Law School, clerked for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, and has served on the California Supreme Court since 2015.

If we are talking qualifications, there is very little argument that Cameron's is as qualified as Jackson or Kruger. The only reason I can conjure that you think Cameron would do a great job is that he is a conservative who has close ties to McConnell and would therefore rule in ways you want him to.

So stop talking about qualifications and how a black female is not the best qualified when you float a clearly less qualified individual for the sole reason you believe they will rule how you like.

Maybe if Biden gets to appointee another Supreme Court nominee he can pick someone else because there's no way that Daniel Cameron would be appointed. His problem isn't white or black, it's conservative not liberal.

[Crovash]

Making this outrage even more of a farce, President Reagan literally said he would put a woman on the Supreme Court:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/27/u...ack-woman.html

At a news conference in October of that year — just weeks before Election Day — Reagan promised that, if elected, he would name the first woman to sit on the Supreme Court.


I guess Reagan was a sexist right? I guess Bush Sr was a racist and a sexist for removing white males from consideration.

Yeah, but he was God.

[ciaban2.0]

Yep. You cannot complain they aren’t selecting the most qualified candidates and then defend candidates like Thomas or ACB, the former having one year of judicial experience and the latter having three years.

What made them the best candidates accomplishment-wise?

You forgot Elena Kagan who had literally no judicial experience.

[ciaban2.0]

Let's break this down for a moment.

Daniel Cameron did not graduate from an Ivy League or T14 (or even T50) Law School. He has literally never been a judge a day in his life. He only clerked with a U.S. District Court judge and not a Supreme Court (or even Kentucky Supreme Court) judge.

Compare that record to Ketanji Brown Jackson, who graduated from Harvard Law School, clerked for the Supreme Court (Justice Breyer), and has served as a Judge, first at the District Court level, then on the Appellate level, since 2013.

or Leondra Kruger, who graduated from Yale Law School, clerked for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, and has served on the California Supreme Court since 2015.

If we are talking qualifications, there is very little argument that Cameron's is as qualified as Jackson or Kruger. The only reason I can conjure that you think Cameron would do a great job is that he is a conservative who has close ties to McConnell and would therefore rule in ways you want him to.

So stop talking about qualifications and how a black female is not the best qualified when you float a clearly less qualified individual for the sole reason you believe they will rule how you like.

First of all, not going to an Ivy League shouldn't be disqualifying at all, I think WAY too many of our highest positions in govt and society being filled by people who went to the same 8-10 schools is a real problem in our society. Same with saying someone who didn't clerk for a SCOTUS judge isn't qualified. I don't think that should expel you from consideration. We have a real class problem and this type of thinking satisfies those lines.

That's MY POINT, once we state what we think makes someone qualified we can look at candidates like Cameron etc, and decide if they meet the criteria, if the only criteria be they're from Demographic X, well then how do we know that they're judicially qualified, btw I like how you looked at Cameron and not Munoiz.

[valade16]

You forgot Elena Kagan who had literally no judicial experience.

No, I didn’t. I said you then defend. You obviously are not defending her. Ironically you did say a man who also has no judicial experience would be a good pick, so apparently that isn’t a criteria for you. Unless it’s a double standard.

[ciaban2.0]

I know this won’t (and I think couldn’t) happen. But could Biden appointee the Republicans on the SCOTUS to lower courts and have them confirmed?

Yeah, he could nominate whoever he wants, but if he were to nominate Ted Cruz, I doubt that Democrats would confirm.

[ciaban2.0]

No, I didn’t. I said you then defend. You obviously are not defending her. Ironically you did say a man who also has no judicial experience would be a good pick, so apparently that isn’t a criteria for you. Unless it’s a double standard.

It would be my preferred pick because he's like 35 or 36. But no, he's probably not qualified unlike Munoiz, who you didn't bother bringing up.

BTW since Cameron isn't qualified because of his lack of judicial experience, would that be true about Kagan as well in your opinion?

[valade16]

First of all, not going to an Ivy League shouldn't be disqualifying at all, I think WAY to much of our highest positions in govt and society being filled by people who went to the same 8-10 schools is a real problem in our society.

That's MY POINT, once we state what we think makes someone qualified we can look at candidates like Cameron etc, and decide if they meet the criteria, if the only criteria be they're from Demographic X, well then how do we know that they're judicially qualified, btw I like how you looked at Cameron and not Munoiz.

I looked at Cameron to point out how relatively unqualified he is and yet you still considered him a good candidate.

But he isn’t only looking at the criteria of Demographic X. He is looking at criteria that would make a good Justice from those who are Demographic X. To quote Chris Rock “Black people didn’t vote for Barack Obama because he was black. They voted for him because he’s black and qualified. We weren’t voting for Flava Flav”

So let me ask you, what makes Cameron a qualified candidate in your mind? What makes him the best qualified candidate? What makes him more qualified than either of the two I named?

[valade16]

It would be my preferred pick because he's like 35 or 36. But no, he's probably not qualified unlike Munoiz, who you didn't bother bringing up.

BTW since Cameron isn't qualified because of his lack of judicial experience, would that be true about Kagan as well in your opinion?

Wait: so for all your guys’ talk of Dbroncos faulty logic in picking a younger nominee, that is literally your preferred reason?

I never said a lack of judicial experience makes them unqualified. You said BEST qualified. ACB and Thomas were qualified, as was Kagan. But qualified and best qualified are two different things.

But tell me: how is picking someone because of their young age any different than picking someone because of their gender or race? Age is as arbitrary reason as all the rest.

[Brewersfan255]

I don't think he should have explicitly said that's what he was going to do. But I also think that had he not said it and simply picked a black female justice everyone complaining now would still be saying the person was only chosen because of their race and gender.

I mean he said it to earn votes before the election from the black community


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[valade16]

I mean he said it to earn votes before the election from the black community

And Reagan promised to nominate a female Justice to earn votes from women before the election. Pandering is nothing new.