Splitting America

[WES445]

Wow. If this is gonna be indicative of the Democratic Party going forward then have fun insulting the people on the right while the Republican Party runs the country.

Give it a break, I have heard worst coming from the republicans, especially their base.

[spliff(TONE)]

Regardless, acting like one random dude on an out of date sports forum represents the Democrat party as a whole is a bit ridiculous.

[GasMan]

Give it a break, I have heard worst coming from the republicans, especially their base.

As long as politics in this country is mostly an attempt to own the other side it’s the democrats that will suffer. The Republican Party is much less interested in legislating and more interesting in making the government ineffective since this supports their opinion that government is the problem not the solution. Democrats need to stop taking the bait and focus on how to support and pass policies that make government an effective tool of all the people as it has in the past.

[dbroncos78087]

Wow. If this is gonna be indicative of the Democratic Party going forward then have fun insulting the people on the right while the Republican Party runs the country.

Do you want to dispute what I said? Because I'm really not concerned about hurting people's feelings.

[GasMan]

Do you want to dispute what I said? Because I'm really not concerned about hurting people's feelings.

Debate the idea that several southern US states are meth addicts? That half the country is deplorable? I don’t think either of those things are true. And it’s not unthinkable that Hillary saying the “basket if deplorables” line was difference that got us Trump the first time.

[dbroncos78087]

Debate the idea that several southern US states are meth addicts? That half the country is deplorable? I don’t think either of those things are true. And it’s not unthinkable that Hillary saying the “basket if deplorables” line was difference that got us Trump the first time.

And how is Joe Biden's strategy of talking about everyone like they're just precious little snowflakes working out? Acting like Republicans are "just like us" and really just want the country to succeed. Is that getting anything done?

[WES445]

As long as politics in this country is mostly an attempt to own the other side it’s the democrats that will suffer. The Republican Party is much less interested in legislating and more interesting in making the government ineffective since this supports their opinion that government is the problem not the solution. Democrats need to stop taking the bait and focus on how to support and pass policies that make government an effective tool of all the people as it has in the past.

good luck with that. Most of the problems from these two parties are they don't represent the voters but the donors. They govern really well for them. How much money did they make during this pandemic? That isn't going to change whether we live under state rule or federal rules.

[Zmaster52]

Regardless, acting like one random dude on an out of date sports forum represents the Democrat party as a whole is a bit ridiculous.

I’ve always felt sort of honored that these folks thought that I was the poster child for leftism


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[Crovash]

good luck with that. Most of the problems from these two parties are they don't represent the voters but the donors. They govern really well for them. How much money did they make during this pandemic? That isn't going to change whether we live under state rule or federal rules.

While I think you overstate the case to some degree, the core of what you are saying rings true. The Republicans are relying on their base — and using whatever tactics are necessary to energize them — but all really in a blatant effort to serve their monied interests. Meanwhile, the Democrats are basically doing the same thing.

There is certainly a difference in the focus of their respective tactics (mostly involving social issues) and maybe there is even a slight difference in the kinds of monied interests the powermongers in the two parties serve. But not much, really.

So, we have been reduced to and seduced by labels: red state folks characterized as “deplorables” being pitted up against blue state folks characterized as “elitist socialists”.

[GasMan]

And how is Joe Biden's strategy of talking about everyone like they're just precious little snowflakes working out? Acting like Republicans are "just like us" and really just want the country to succeed. Is that getting anything done?

You really think Biden’s issue comes from not treating half of his constituency like their horrible people?

Biden’s problems are that he’s a mediocre politician with the smallest legislative majority in recent history during a pandemic he vowed he’d end. He botched the Afghan withdrawal, he’s had an weak Covid response, he’s not adequately addressed the rise in inflation and despite his near non-existent majority in Congress he’s tried to pass expansive measures rather than focused bills that are targeted and have a reasonable chance of passing. His mantra should have been fix the problems that we can fix and show the country government can be the solution.

[valade16]

You really think Biden’s issue comes from not treating half of his constituency like their horrible people?

Biden’s problems are that he’s a mediocre politician with the smallest legislative majority in recent history during a pandemic he vowed he’d end. He botched the Afghan withdrawal, he’s had an weak Covid response, he’s not adequately addressed the rise in inflation and despite his near non-existent majority in Congress he’s tried to pass expansive measures rather than focused bills that are targeted and have a reasonable chance of passing. His mantra should have been fix the problems that we can fix and show the country government can be the solution.

I think this is a really good description of Biden's presidency thus far.

[WES445]

While I think you overstate the case to some degree, the core of what you are saying rings true. The Republicans are relying on their base — and using whatever tactics are necessary to energize them — but all really in a blatant effort to serve their monied interests. Meanwhile, the Democrats are basically doing the same thing.

There is certainly a difference in the focus of their respective tactics (mostly involving social issues) and maybe there is even a slight difference in the kinds of monied interests the powermongers in the two parties serve. But not much, really.

So, we have been reduced to and seduced by labels: red state folks characterized as “deplorables” being pitted up against blue state folks characterized as “elitist socialists”.

Can't trust a broken system to work for you, when it is actively working against you.

[WES445]

You really think Biden’s issue comes from not treating half of his constituency like their horrible people?

Biden’s problems are that he’s a mediocre politician with the smallest legislative majority in recent history during a pandemic he vowed he’d end. He botched the Afghan withdrawal, he’s had an weak Covid response, he’s not adequately addressed the rise in inflation and despite his near non-existent majority in Congress he’s tried to pass expansive measures rather than focused bills that are targeted and have a reasonable chance of passing. His mantra should have been fix the problems that we can fix and show the country government can be the solution.

I agree with you, but when ever I hear someone criticize the other party, I must remind them that neither party is set up to rule the country effectively and efficiently for issues pushed by the common joe. Every President, regardless of party, for some time has failed in turning this puppy around for us even though decades after decades they promises they would and I would even add they made the situation worst at times. Both bases spend more time focusing on the other party's flaws while letting their own party leader off the hook on the same issues.

Pelosi is protecting the congressional members' right to use insider data to make a mint on the stock market. During the same week, I hear the Flint water case has been dropped and those elected officials charged will go free. The same guys who allow their community water to be poisoned and affect the lives of children with lead poisoning. A few years down the road because of their lead-induced mental problem, there is a good chance they will be in the criminal system.

Before any conservative crows about the failures of the Democrats, we don't see the Republicans picking up the bat on these issues.

The system isn't broken or corrupted, it just isn't set up for you or the Flint folks or environmentalists or any named issue group. Biden, George W., Trump may seem like big failures to people but there are some who are very happy with them. They will keep pumping money into campaign funds because these politicians are a good investment.

[dbroncos78087]

You really think Biden’s issue comes from not treating half of his constituency like their horrible people?

Biden’s problems are that he’s a mediocre politician with the smallest legislative majority in recent history during a pandemic he vowed he’d end. He botched the Afghan withdrawal, he’s had an weak Covid response, he’s not adequately addressed the rise in inflation and despite his near non-existent majority in Congress he’s tried to pass expansive measures rather than focused bills that are targeted and have a reasonable chance of passing. His mantra should have been fix the problems that we can fix and show the country government can be the solution.

No I don't think it is the cause of his issue. But I absolutely don't see it as a fix to the issue of the problem. He has been being nice and coddling these people (both in and out of his party) and they are still doing the exact opposite. Absolutely no movement even when movement is made by him and his side towards them. The changes from the John Lewis voting bill and the one that was voted on that Manchin wrote explicitly to appeal to Republicans got zero more votes. Not one Republican voted for the bill that included language they allegedly wanted. This is the same thing that happened when they tried to vote for the 1/6 commission. Thankfully the House took that mistake and turned it into what it is today: a productive document and testimony machine. There isn't an investigation in the senate because that would require Republicans to consent since the senate is 50-50 on committees. So we have actually had even more Republican opposition since we were at least able to get a Russian investigation committee.

[GasMan]

I agree with you, but when ever I hear someone criticize the other party, I must remind them that neither party is set up to rule the country effectively and efficiently for issues pushed by the common joe. Every President, regardless of party, for some time has failed in turning this puppy around for us even though decades after decades they promises they would and I would even add they made the situation worst at times. Both bases spend more time focusing on the other party's flaws while letting their own party leader off the hook on the same issues.

Pelosi is protecting the congressional members' right to use insider data to make a mint on the stock market. During the same week, I hear the Flint water case has been dropped and those elected officials charged will go free. The same guys who allow their community water to be poisoned and affect the lives of children with lead poisoning. A few years down the road because of their lead-induced mental problem, there is a good chance they will be in the criminal system.

Before any conservative crows about the failures of the Democrats, we don't see the Republicans picking up the bat on these issues.

The system isn't broken or corrupted, it just isn't set up for you or the Flint folks or environmentalists or any named issue group. Biden, George W., Trump may seem like big failures to people but there are some who are very happy with them. They will keep pumping money into campaign funds because these politicians are a good investment.

I agree. But why do we just except this?