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  1. #1
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    Which Starting Five?

    Which starting five has the edge?

    1. Greg Maddux
    2. Roger Clemens
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Tom Glavine
    5. Pedro Marinez

    Vs

    1. Jacob deGrom
    2. Max Scherzer
    3. Gerrit Cole
    4. Clayton Kershaw
    5. Shane Bieber

  2. #2
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    First one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    First one.
    Easily. Scherzer and Kershaw will probably be Hall of Famers, but the rest probably won't be. All of the first 5 are in the Hall, and for very good reason (other than Clemens, of course).

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    ^

    Degrom and Cole probably HOF at the end of the day as well and Bieber too early. But the first group has 4 top 10 pitches all time.

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    Actually I take it back. Degrom late start and potential injuries make it hard. Cole numbers worse than I though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    Actually I take it back. Degrom late start and potential injuries make it hard. Cole numbers worse than I though.
    Had deGrom won the CY Young this year, it would have been really hard to keep him out of the HOF. Shame he didn't get that opportunity due to injury. If he stays healthy and wins it next year, I think he's pretty much a shoe in. 3 Cy Youngs as he continues to add value to his resume before he retires and it would be hard to keep him out, especially with how SP are used nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Had deGrom won the CY Young this year, it would have been really hard to keep him out of the HOF. Shame he didn't get that opportunity due to injury. If he stays healthy and wins it next year, I think he's pretty much a shoe in. 3 Cy Youngs as he continues to add value to his resume before he retires and it would be hard to keep him out, especially with how SP are used nowadays.
    Yea if he has another Cy Young, I wpuld have a hard time but baseball voters are weird.

    Im concerned about his health/effectiveness given he is 34 next year. If he has 2 more dominant years (ie 7 WAR but say doesnt win another Cy Young) and then some average years, that puts him at 60-70 WAR. That would be enough for me.

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    Obviously the 2nd one, how is this a question.

    The first group is all in their 50's.

    The second group are in their 20's and 30's.

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    first one by a ****ing lot and i hate the braves

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    Easily the first.
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    I don't consider Brand New indie. I consider them ****ing awesome and don't belong to a genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    first one by a ****ing lot and i hate the braves
    At least he didn't include Smoltz...

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    Pedro as the 5 yeah the first one


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