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  1. #10921
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    Not sure why there is a discussion about cable comedy networks, but I guess it makes sense given the deficits in certain people's discussion skills.

    Anyway, let's check in on that Texas law again:

    https://everytexan.org/2022/12/05/th...ortion-access/



    When the labor force participation of a nation increases, measured national income per capita also increases. More simply, when we have more people working in our country, individual incomes increase as well. Having more workers leads to higher production rates, which leads to more money flowing through our economy. Adversely, when the labor force shrinks due to any reason, including abortion restrictions, it could impact the vitality of local and state economies and have many national and local implications.

    In the landmark case Dobbs v. Jackson, which overturned the right to an abortion, Thomas E. Dobbs, the state health officer of the Mississippi Department of Health and the defendant in the case, argued that recent developments in paid family leave, contraception, and the presence of “safe haven” laws in all 50 states “facilitate the ability of women to pursue both career success and a rich family life.” Therefore, according to Dobbs, abortion no longer needs to be protected by the court. While these are necessary resources for people who can give birth, Dobbs’ argument does not take into account the strong socioeconomic data that paints a different and more stark picture.

    The United States is one of only two countries without national paid maternity leave. While nearly every other country in the world offers more than a year of paid maternity leave, the United States provides only twelve weeks of unpaid leave under the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993. Despite lackluster support from companies, the workplace protections that do exist for mothers apply mostly to people with college degrees; at the lower end of the economic spectrum, where hourly workers may be engaged in shift work with unpredictable hours, there are few safeguards in place.

    Observational studies have also determined the effects of unwanted pregnancy on women’s lives. The Turnaway Study examined nearly 1,000 women seeking an abortion from 30 facilities around the country. Of those that participated, there were 383 “near-limit” women, or women who were in stages of their pregnancy that put them at risk of not being able to receive an abortion due to local abortion restrictions. Of those women, 180 were turned away from getting an abortion, and the study followed this “turnaway group” and found the haunting effects of not being able to plan their family. The Turnaway Study highlighted that not having enough money to care for a child is the most common reason for seeking an abortion. Over the subsequent five years, the average woman in the Turnaway Group faced a 78% increase in past-due debt and an 81% increase in public records related to bankruptcies, evictions, and court judgments. The study also found that after being denied an abortion, women were three times more likely to be unemployed than those who had obtained abortions, and four times more likely to be below the Federal Poverty Level compared to those who had obtained abortions.

    The lifelong economic impacts and effects of not being able to obtain an abortion are clear and striking. However, the positive economic impacts of being able to obtain an abortion are compelling and hopeful. While women who have children face an immediate and persistent one-third drop in expected earnings, young women who were able to use legal abortion services and delay motherhood by one year saw an 11% increase in hourly wages later in their careers. On the other hand, fathers’ earnings remain largely unaffected as a result of a lack of family planning — a divergence known as the “motherhood penalty.” This is likely because access to abortions increases the probability that women experiencing unintended pregnancies are still able to attend college and enter professional occupations. In fact, one study found that for young women experiencing unintended pregnancies, access to abortion increased their probability of completing college by about 20% and their probability of entering a professional occupation by about 40%. Additionally, women who were able to delay motherhood through legal access to abortion were able to pursue higher degrees and spend more time in the labor force, and they were much less likely to fall into poverty later in life.

    Another form of family planning, contraception, is vital to the overall economy as well. A report done by the Congressional Joint Economics Committee found that while over 47 million Americans aged 15-49 relied on contraceptives from 2017 through 2019, the economic impacts of unreliable access to contraceptives stretch far beyond these users. They found that every dollar spent on contraceptive services saves almost $6 of public spending through reducing unwanted pregnancies alone; this adds up to a public savings of $10.5 billion per year. Additionally, men also see educational benefits from contraception access — young men whose partners have legal access to oral contraception are more likely to complete college. Even further, children find benefits in investment in and protection of contraception access — children whose parents have access to contraception had higher levels of education and higher future earnings than those who did not.

    Once again, these findings are not exclusive to women and people who attempt to obtain abortions — these numbers can and likely will have a spillover effect into the general economy. The International Monetary Fund supports the framework that closing gender gaps can contribute to higher economic growth, and that empowering women is smart economics. Additionally, countless studies and data have repeatedly shown that the positive outcomes and livelihoods of mothers have significant impacts on the outcomes of their children and the generations following, and thus, society as a whole. Therefore, the positive socioeconomic effects of being able to obtain an abortion are not just felt by the person receiving the abortion but are also shared with the children. Legalization in repeal states reduced the number of children who lived in single-parent households, experienced poverty, and received social services. Cases of child neglect and abuse also decreased. Studies have examined the downstream effects of children of the Roe era and found higher levels of college graduation and lower rates of single parenthood.

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    So nothing about the Texas law. Fabulous posting as always.
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    For anyone too lazy to click and read, this is the first paragraph of that link:

    Just days after the Supreme Court of the United States overturned Roe v. Wade, many states across the country worked to place strict limitations on abortion access for birthing people. Texas lawmakers had been anticipating the fall of the nearly 50-year precedent, and Texas thus became one of the states that instilled a “trigger law” to kick in after the overturning, which effectively banned abortions statewide. The trigger law went into effect on August 25. Despite the overwhelming evidence that shows abortion restrictions are detrimental to people who can give birth, especially those with low incomes and people of color, Texans now face a new reality that affects their personal and economic decision-making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Flying off the handle might be show #5 for CC. You guys are going to bring the ratings of the station back to former days.
    You're sure committed to these mindless jokes of yours.

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    aNoThEr ShOw

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    You're sure committed to these mindless jokes of yours.
    What else do they have when confronted with fact after fact after fact after fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    So nothing about the Texas law. Fabulous posting as always.
    Not to point out the obvious...but you posted this complaining about how someone isn't posting about the Texas law while simultaneously not posting anything about the Texas law. The only thing you did to reference the Texas law is say the word Texas law...

    Clean up your side of the room before *****ing about what others are doing...
    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    And if people got **** counsel, well they had to die so the court could move faster…but tell me again how pro-life you are!
    I was told there would be pro-life! Not pro-death!
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    Please remember not to reply to me if I'm not replying to you...you know who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    For anyone too lazy to click and read, this is the first paragraph of that link:

    Just days after the Supreme Court of the United States overturned Roe v. Wade, many states across the country worked to place strict limitations on abortion access for birthing people. Texas lawmakers had been anticipating the fall of the nearly 50-year precedent, and Texas thus became one of the states that instilled a “trigger law” to kick in after the overturning, which effectively banned abortions statewide. The trigger law went into effect on August 25. Despite the overwhelming evidence that shows abortion restrictions are detrimental to people who can give birth, especially those with low incomes and people of color, Texans now face a new reality that affects their personal and economic decision-making.
    Goes to show you he doesn't read anything he disagrees with. Just want to put on the same tired *** brett shtick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    For anyone too lazy to click and read, this is the first paragraph of that link:

    Just days after the Supreme Court of the United States overturned Roe v. Wade, many states across the country worked to place strict limitations on abortion access for birthing people. Texas lawmakers had been anticipating the fall of the nearly 50-year precedent, and Texas thus became one of the states that instilled a “trigger law” to kick in after the overturning, which effectively banned abortions statewide. The trigger law went into effect on August 25. Despite the overwhelming evidence that shows abortion restrictions are detrimental to people who can give birth, especially those with low incomes and people of color, Texans now face a new reality that affects their personal and economic decision-making.
    So nothing on the lives taken and destroyed forever. Thanks again as always. I'm sure there are folks following this that will lap your post up as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    What else do they have when confronted with fact after fact after fact after fact?
    Shouldn't type a word you use so poorly
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Goes to show you he doesn't read anything he disagrees with. Just want to put on the same tired *** brett shtick.
    Here it comes..huh. I must be Carnac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Here it comes..huh. I must be Carnac.
    No, just lazy and misinformed.

    But that's never stopped you before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    No, just lazy and misinformed.

    But that's never stopped you before.
    And someday soon you'll make a valid reply...still waiting..LOL
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    Let's check in on that Texas law again:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/h...pregnancy.html

    A few weeks after Texas adopted the most restrictive abortion law in the nation, Dr. Andrea Palmer delivered terrible news to a Fort Worth patient who was midway through her pregnancy.

    The fetus had a rare neural tube defect. The brain would not develop, and the infant would die at birth or shortly afterward. Carrying the pregnancy to term would be emotionally grueling and would also raise the mother’s risk of blood clots and severe postpartum bleeding, the doctor warned.

    But the patient was past six weeks’ gestation, and under the new law, an abortion was not an option in Texas because the woman was not immediately facing a life-threatening medical crisis or risk of permanent disability.

    “So we look at them like a ticking time bomb and wait for the complications to develop,” Dr. Palmer said of her patients.

    Abortion is permitted in Texas after six weeks only when a woman is facing a life-threatening or disabling medical emergency linked to her pregnancy. The law makes no exceptions for nonviable pregnancies in which the fetus has no chance of survival.

    But studies show that pregnant teenagers are more prone than older women to developing a dangerous condition called pre-eclampsia, and they are more likely to have preterm deliveries, small babies and stillbirths. Very young rape victims tend to seek prenatal care late, and they are more likely to have small babies that score poorly on tests of heart rate and muscle tone given immediately after birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    And someday soon you'll make a valid reply...still waiting..LOL
    Yes as you say what NYY posted had nothing to do with the Texas law meanwhile it was quoted in the first paragraph.

    Way to move goalposts to something else when proven wrong though. Just say you didn't read the link instead of doubling down on stupid.

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