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  1. #9031
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Yes. I am saying that the majority of republicans do not agree with an overall ban on abortions. You saw what happened in Kansas, yes? I think you know it too.
    Independents turning up in Kansas who weren't even eligible to vote in the primaries for governor was a significant part of that as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Independents turning up in Kansas who weren't even eligible to vote in the primaries for governor was a significant part of that as well.
    True. But you're talking about a deep red state. Independents didn't sway the ballot outcome. The amendment was voted down by an 18% margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Yes. I am saying that the majority of republicans do not agree with an overall ban on abortions. You saw what happened in Kansas, yes? I think you know it too.
    I don’t think many would not vote for a Republican because they banned abortions or wanted to. I think you know it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    I don’t think many would not vote for a Republican because they banned abortions or wanted to. I think you know it too.
    The joy of hypotheticals that can never happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    True. But you're talking about a deep red state. Independents didn't sway the ballot outcome. The amendment was voted down by an 18% margin.
    Independents likely cast more votes than the vote margin.

    The "no" vote, to keep abortion rights, was 543,855; the "yes" vote was 378,466; the different is 165,389.

    The latest AP tallies show that more than 922,000 votes were cast by Kansas voters on the abortion referendum. That’s roughly twice as many voters as turned out for the state’s previous midterm primary election in 2018, and it’s about as many as turn out for Kansas’ midterm general elections in some years. Overall turnout — 48% of registered voters — outpaced the 34% turnout for the 2020 presidential primaries.

    The most recent electorate also was considerably less Republican than in a typical Kansas primary. From 2010 through 2020, Republican primary ballots outnumbered non-Republican ballots by about 2-to-1. In last week’s election, according to the Kansas secretary of state’s office, the two groups turned out in nearly equal numbers.

    Advocates on both sides of the amendment spent more than $14 million blanketing Kansas with ads and signs, knocking on doors and calling voters, according to state campaign finance reports.

    That effort helped attract an unusual variable in Kansas primaries: independent voters. That group is eligible to vote on referenda but not for candidates running in any party primary. But campaign ads emphasized that “no affiliation” voters could indeed vote on the abortion question. It worked: Around 184,000 more votes were cast for the abortion amendment than voted for governor, a likely barometer to measure their portion of the electorate.
    Obviously we can't say that all 184,000 voted to keep abortion rights, but turnout like that to vote on only that issue was a significant factor in the outcome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    The joy of hypotheticals that can never happen.
    It’s not a hypothetical, we’re about to see it happen. How many Kansas politicians who supported the abortion ban do you think get voted out of office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    An exception means a modification is needed, not that the flood gates need to be removed.
    No. The exception needs to be telling the woman she can't get the abortion. The default should be to let her make up her own damn mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    And if people got **** counsel, well they had to die so the court could move faster…but tell me again how pro-life you are!
    I was told there would be pro-life! Not pro-death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Independents likely cast more votes than the vote margin.

    The "no" vote, to keep abortion rights, was 543,855; the "yes" vote was 378,466; the different is 165,389.



    Obviously we can't say that all 184,000 voted to keep abortion rights, but turnout like that to vote on only that issue was a significant factor in the outcome.
    Maybe Kansas Republicans didn't want a ban on abortions. That's as much of a possibility.
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    Shame there isn't polling evidence that suggests more people support abortion rights than don't. Oh wait.

    Even funnier when some think people won't come out to vote for it when that right is in jeopardy of being taken away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Maybe Kansas Republicans didn't want a ban on abortions. That's as much of a possibility.
    Is it? They're the same people that voted out the few legislators that didn't vote to put the amendment on the ballot in Feb of 2020.

    Kansas state lawmakers wrote the “Value Them Both” amendment after a 2019 Kansas Supreme Court ruling that held that abortion rights were protected by the state Constitution. But to amend the Kansas Constitution, a supermajority of both chambers of the Kansas legislature must first adopt the amendment and send it to the voters for their approval.

    The first attempt took place in February 2020, but it fell 4 votes shy of the necessary supermajority in the Kansas House of Representatives. After the 2020 elections, which saw the Republican Party consolidate its influence on the issue of abortion, and the replacement of the holdout Republicans, legislators brought forward a similar vote in 2021, over now-Gov. Laura Kelly’s veto.
    Republicans in Kansas voted for the guy that said he would put people on SCOTUS to overturn Roe, and voted for legislators that would put a state constitutional amendment on the ballot so they could remove abortion protections from their state constitution... but they don't want a ban on abortions? Until this vote, everything they did pointed to them very much wanting one and trying to make it happen.


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    Not mature enough to have the abortion but mature enough to raise it. Makes total sense.

    If not, better hope he/she is adopted otherwise they join that wonderful overcrowded foster care system.

    Last edited by metswon69; 08-16-2022 at 07:08 PM.

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    That child, along with the teen mom, will likely need a lot of support (mental, social, etc.). Too bad the right-to-lifers don't give a crap about life after birth.

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    It’s truly baffling how these people think. Just entirely void of common sense.

    How does someone need to be less mature to have a child than to get an abortion? That’s what Florida is saying. Because they aren’t preventing her from having a child but are preventing her from getting an abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    It’s truly baffling how these people think. Just entirely void of common sense.

    How does someone need to be less mature to have a child than to get an abortion? That’s what Florida is saying. Because they aren’t preventing her from having a child but are preventing her from getting an abortion.
    50% of people born in Florida have parents that are related. Find a study to prove me wrong or shut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    50% of people born in Florida have parents that are related. Find a study to prove me wrong or shut it.
    You think it’s that low? They are right near Alabama.

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