Cori Bush thoughts and defunding the Police/Private security

[ewing]

I know nothing about Cori Bush (I don’t think she is related to George) but I’ve seen this a couple times. Can someone explain why this is hypocritical? Privation of security seems in line with defunding the police and is normally the type of thing conservatives are for imo. Tell me what you think about this and Ms. Bush


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[SiteWolf]

I'm gonna say....not related to George. Reggie, maybe, but not George.



I question privitization of jails and security because the safety of Americans and our justice system should not be a capitalist endeavor. Add money/profits into the mix and the result is nothing like most of us would want.

[dbroncos78087]

I get what you’re saying about privatization about security being in line with defund the police. But it violates one of the other principles that she and others have stood for, which is making things not just available to those who can afford it.

It’s very undemocratic (small d). We should be focusing on proposing changes to our society that will make things better for all people. More money for body cams, an entirely non-police review of all officer shootings, additional money for non-police response units, and other things like that are possible proposals.

[ewing]

Did she turn down a publicly provided security detail to hire private security?


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[valade16]

I'm gonna say....not related to George. Reggie, maybe, but not George.



I question privitization of jails and security because the safety of Americans and our justice system should not be a capitalist endeavor. Add money/profits into the mix and the result is nothing like most of us would want.

Agreed wholeheartedly. The moment you make something for profit it no longer becomes about what it is and immediately becomes about making the most money.

[cambovenzi]

She wants to use tax payer dollars to fund her own security force while defunding it for regular people.
She announced this in a very abrasive and juvenile manner that garnered extra attention.

Personally I understand the problems with police and would like to see more privatized security, but that is not really her policy here and a majority of her criticizers see the police as a desired force to combat criminals.

She is also a gun control zealot and has demonized other people for defending themselves and their property.

[ewing]

She wants to use tax payer dollars to fund her own security force while defunding it for regular people.
She announced this in a very abrasive and juvenile manner that garnered extra attention.

Personally I understand the problems with police and would like to see more privatized security, but that is not really her policy here and a majority of her criticizers see the police as a desired force to combat criminals.

She is also a gun control zealot and has demonized other people for defending themselves and their property.

So it’s not hypocritical bc it’s private. It’s hypocritical bc she is spending tax payer money on her own security when defunding the police would provide less security for regular citizens. Is that right? I’m not defending or attacking her or private security/prisons in general. I just didn’t understand how it was “hypocritical”. If people are mad about bc it’s stupid that’s ok too but it’s just different then it being “hypocritical” and that was what I saw.


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[ciaban2.0]

I know nothing about Cori Bush (I don’t think she is related to George) but I’ve seen this a couple times. Can someone explain why this is hypocritical? Privation of security seems in line with defunding the police and is normally the type of thing conservatives are for imo. Tell me what you think about this and Ms. Bush


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While I fully agree with her that there is a need for legislators on both sides of the aisle to have adequate protection from harm given their high profile.
What makes the stance hypocritical is the fact that many of the same people who insist that we should defund the police and redirect funding to social services are themselves spending large amounts of money on private security and giving additional funding to Capital Police who BTW are not bound by the same transparency laws as everyone else. (You can't make a FOIA request of Capital Police)

However, the communities for which these people call for the defunding of police are often the poorest and are the least capable of hiring security.
We see this all the time in poor countries, where the wealthy pay for private security for their neighborhoods and schools, businesses (that they work and shop at) while poor neighborhoods are deeply underserved and protected and fall into violence.

In a sense, she and others like her are saying security for me, not for thee.

[ciaban2.0]

I'm gonna say....not related to George. Reggie, maybe, but not George.



I question privitization of jails and security because the safety of Americans and our justice system should not be a capitalist endeavor. Add money/profits into the mix and the result is nothing like most of us would want.

IDK Scandanavia has privatized prisons and does pretty well with it.

[natepro]

Someday, I hope some of you are able to pass through St Louis. While you're here, you should head to the Central West End and see the neighborhood where the McCluskey's were oh so very fearful for their lives, and then you can laugh and laugh at how ridiculous they are.

Then you can head to North St Louis, where Cori Bush is from, and see what those neighborhoods are like. Northwoods, Jennings, Wellston, Normandy, Pine Lawn.. none of these places are being helped by the St Louis police. Wellston is in the 5th percentile for safety - 95% of cities in the country are safer. The STL PD has an annual budget of $204 million, and North St Louis is a war zone.

But god forbid we try something else, right?

[natepro]

IDK Scandanavia has privatized prisons and does pretty well with it.

Denmark, Norway, and Sweden all do?

[SiteWolf]

IDK Scandanavia has privatized prisons and does pretty well with it.

and none of those countries have a democratic government or the same type of capitalistic economy

[dbroncos78087]

Agreed wholeheartedly. The moment you make something for profit it no longer becomes about what it is and immediately becomes about making the most money.

You can privatize something and it be run perfectly legitimately. But the problem is with prisons, there is absolutely no incentive for prisons to be run in a way that creates a path towards what happens after incarceration. There is a profit motive to create as many prisoners as possible. That leads the prisons to invest in politicians who will make more laws that lock more people up.

Private prisons should be outlawed if it were up to me.

[SiteWolf]

You can privatize something and it be run perfectly legitimately. But the problem is with prisons, there is absolutely no incentive for prisons to be run in a way that creates a path towards what happens after incarceration. There is a profit motive to create as many prisoners as possible. That leads the prisons to invest in politicians who will make more laws that lock more people up.

Private prisons should be outlawed if it were up to me.

substitute private prisons with pharmaceuticals and we see some of what the problem could be.....difference being, there's no going away from the private sector with pharmaceuticals, there still is with prisons

problem is, there's ways to do a lot of things perfectly legitimately that snowball out of control the more money there is involved......just another way so much of what we view as capitalism has become pure greed

[catman]

Someday, I hope some of you are able to pass through St Louis. While you're here, you should head to the Central West End and see the neighborhood where the McCluskey's were oh so very fearful for their lives, and then you can laugh and laugh at how ridiculous they are.

Then you can head to North St Louis, where Cori Bush is from, and see what those neighborhoods are like. Northwoods, Jennings, Wellston, Normandy, Pine Lawn.. none of these places are being helped by the St Louis police. Wellston is in the 5th percentile for safety - 95% of cities in the country are safer. The STL PD has an annual budget of $204 million, and North St Louis is a war zone.

But god forbid we try something else, right?

Sounds like you need more funding for police, rather than less.