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    90's All-Decade Team Vs Today's League

    Realistically, can the 2010's All-Decade team compete?

    1St Base - Mark McGwire
    2nd Base - Craig Biggio
    3rd Base - Chipper Jones
    Left Field - Barry Bonds
    Right Field - Sammy Sosa
    Center Field - Ken Griffey Jr.
    Catcher - Mike Piazza
    Shortstop - Barry Larkin
    DH - Edgar Martinez

    Starting Pitcher

    Greg Maddux
    Pedro Martinez
    Roger Clemens
    Randy Johnson
    Curt Schilling

    Relief Pitching

    Billy Wagner
    Mariano Rivera
    Brian Harvey
    Rob Dibble
    Ugueth Urbina

    VS

    2010:

    First Team
    C: Buster Posey
    1B: Miguel Cabrera
    2B: Jose Altuve
    3B: Adrián Beltré
    SS: Francisco Lindor
    OF: Mike Trout
    OF: Mookie Betts
    OF: Andrew McCutchen
    DH: Nelson Cruz
    SP: Justin Verlander
    SP: Max Scherzer
    SP: Clayton Kershaw
    SP: Zack Greinke
    SP: Chris Sale
    RP: Craig Kimbrel
    RP: Aroldis Chapman

    https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-all-dec...-for-the-2010s

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    I'd love to see a 5 game series between these 2 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    I'd love to see a 5 game series between these 2 teams.
    Which team would you bet your money on?

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    With or without steroids?
    With -- 90's. Without -- 2010.

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    90s is easily the better team and it's not even close

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    That 90s offense and starting pitching is just scary. Surprised that John Smoltz wasn’t in the bullpen for the 90s.
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    That's difficult to compare considering that there are more power pitchers and more power hitters in today's game.

    I'd love to see Tony Gwynn Sr. face these 98+ mph pitchers during every at bat. Likewise, I'd love to see Greg Maddux in his prime face today's hitters. I don't think they'd be as successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    That's difficult to compare considering that there are more power pitchers and more power hitters in today's game.

    I'd love to see Tony Gwynn Sr. face these 98+ mph pitchers during every at bat. Likewise, I'd love to see Greg Maddux in his prime face today's hitters. I don't think they'd be as successful.
    How do you think the power hitters of the 90s would do against today's hitting? Bonds, Sosa, Ken, and Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamba42 View Post
    That 90s offense and starting pitching is just scary. Surprised that John Smoltz wasn’t in the bullpen for the 90s.
    Yup. You probably have 4 top 10 pitchers of all time, 4 or so top 15ish hitters of all time, and the top closer of all time.

    Obviously steroids is a big thing regarding these 90s players but still, Randy Johnson, Pedro, Maddox, Mariano, Chipper, Griffey, Piazza… those guys are easily top 3 all time or at least top 5 at their positions (some even the best - Pedro is my top pitcher of all time). It’s hard to say that about the 10s just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomex View Post
    How do you think the power hitters of the 90s would do against today's hitting? Bonds, Sosa, Ken, and Mark.
    Bonds would have no problem in any era. Dude had one of the best eyes ever.
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    Alright, so I was curious how these two would actually compare, and one thing I found is that this list is.. odd in places. But we'll get to that.

    So I took the best consecutive three-year stretch for every player to use as a means of comparison. It gives you a good sample size, but we don't have to worry about decline phases and all that. Every player, at their peak... except.

    For the 90's players, I only considered seasons that fell within 1990-1999.

    For the 2010's players, I only considered seasons that fell within 2010-2019.

    I also did not include any seasons that were less than full seasons. If you didn't get 500 AB, it couldn't be one of your three best.

    And that's where this list is a little strange. Chipper Jones, for example, may have won the MVP in 1999, but his best three year stretch was 2006-2008, and far more of his career happened in the 2000's than the 90's. Nelson Cruz is the DH for the 2010's, and while it's not a bad pick by any stretch of the imagination, his best three-year stretch is not as good as David Ortiz' was.

    Similarly, Francisco Lindor was the 2010's SS, but Tulowitzki, Corey Seager, and Correa all have better three-year peaks in the 2010's than he does. Beltre was their choice for 3B as well, but Donaldson has a better three-year peak here as well.

    The only other one that's kind of a surprise is Aaron Judge over Mookie Betts. People might be instinctively upset at that, but again we're looking at three consecutive years here, and Mookie is kind of known for being up and down year to year. His overall OPS+ is 141 for his best three years in the 2010's, but a 108 is in there in 2017 and that pulls his numbers down. Judge doesn't have that problem, and ends up with a three-year peak of 156.


    With all of that said, here is how the two sides stack up:


    90's

    C - Mike Piazza - .348/.419/.602 - 175 OPS+
    1B - Mark McGwire - .293/.442/.707 - 194 OPS+
    2B - Craig Biggio - .299/.403/.466 - 135 OPS+
    3B - Chipper Jones - .309/.406/.552 - 146 OPS+
    SS - Barry Larkin - .306/.410/.524 - 143 OPS+
    LF - Barry Bonds - .321/.449/.651 - 199 OPS+
    RF - Sammy Sosa - .282/.348/.587 - 137 OPS+
    CF - Ken Griffey Jr. - .313/.390/.603 - 164 OPS+
    DH - Edgar Martinez - .338/.466/.591 - 172 OPS+


    Greg Maddux - 1.90 ERA/2.53 FIP/0.930 WHIP - 219 ERA+
    Pedro Martinez - 2.29 ERA/2.42 FIP/0.984 WHIP - 202 ERA+
    Roger Clemens - 2.34 ERA/2.44 FIP/1.067 WHIP - 180 ERA+
    Randy Johnson - 2.69 ERA/2.83 FIP/1.084 WHIP - 167 ERA+
    Curt Schilling - 3.22 ERA/3.05 FIP/1.089 WHIP - 138 ERA+


    Billy Wagner - 2.33 ERA/2.13 FIP/1.035 WHIP/92 Saves - 182 ERA+
    Mariano Rivera - 1.87 ERA/3.10 FIP/1.045 WHIP/124 Saves - 243 ERA+
    Bryan Harvey - 1.84 ERA/2.28 FIP/0.902 WHIP/104 Saves - 226 ERA+
    Rob Dibble - 2.59 ERA/1.55 WHIP/1.065 WHIP/67 Saves - 149 ERA+
    Ugueth Urbina - 2.92 ERA/2.95 FIP/1.175 WHIP/102 Saves - 147 ERA+ - 1 Attempted Murder



    2010's


    C: Buster Posey - .314/.381/.497 - 149 OPS+
    1B: Miguel Cabrera - .334/.420/.604 - 174 OPS+
    2B: Jose Altuve - .334/.398/.512 - 149 OPS+
    3B: Adrián Beltré - .320/.372/.521 - 140 OPS+
    SS: Francisco Lindor - .278/.342/.514 - 122 OPS+
    OF: Mike Trout - .303/.447/.634 - 188 OPS+
    OF: Mookie Betts - .299/.389/.535 - 141 OPS+
    OF: Andrew McCutchen - .320/.405/.534 - 162 OPS+
    DH: Nelson Cruz - .292/.368/.557 - 151 OPS+


    SP: Justin Verlander - 2.79 ERA/2.97 FIP/1.043 WHIP - 150 ERA+
    SP: Max Scherzer - 2.64 ERA/2.68 FIP/0.942 WHIP - 166 ERA+
    SP: Clayton Kershaw - 2.05 ERA/2.39 FIP/0.935 WHIP - 176 ERA+
    SP: Zack Greinke - 2.30 ERA/2.97 FIP/1.027 WHIP - 156 ERA+
    SP: Chris Sale - 2.85 ERA/2.71 FIP/0.967 WHIP - 151 ERA+

    RP: Craig Kimbrel - 1.27 ERA/1.52 FIP/0.815 WHIP - 298 ERA+
    RP: Aroldis Chapman - 1.72 ERA/1.46 FIP/0.959 WHIP - 233 ERA+


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    Great breakdown on the numbers. Seems like 90s have more offense and better pitching overall.

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    Why the hell isn't Frank Thomas the best offensive 1B/DH in the 90's not on this list!?!?!?!?!

    His damn career numbers are insane, in just the 90's he was even better.

    Career .301/.419/.555 | .974 OPS | 154 wRC+ | .254 ISO | .416 wOBA | 72.1 fWAR

    Just the 90's .320/.440/.573 | 1.013 OPS | 166 wRC+ | .253 ISO | .433 wOBA | 53.8 fWAR

    He had a freaking 53.8 fWAR pretty much on offense alone, he was a terrible defender.

    This man offensively was Mike Trout before Mike Trout.

    Frank Thomas is a top 5 ALL TIME right handed hitter!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    That's difficult to compare considering that there are more power pitchers and more power hitters in today's game.

    I'd love to see Tony Gwynn Sr. face these 98+ mph pitchers during every at bat. Likewise, I'd love to see Greg Maddux in his prime face today's hitters. I don't think they'd be as successful.
    Tony Gwynn would have been able to adjust to the power pitchers we see today and Maddux would have been successful in any era. Gwynn because he took so many pitches and had such good eyes. He would have been able to see what the pitch was coming out of the pitcher's hand and gear his swing to the velocity he saw.
    Maddux would be successful today because of his command of all of his pitches. He would have been able to throw his change up to anyone and get them out with it. His arm-speed was identical between his fastball and change and the change came in about 8-10 MPH slower. He could also hit the target every time he threw a ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomex View Post
    How do you think the power hitters of the 90s would do against today's hitting? Bonds, Sosa, Ken, and Mark.
    Bonds and Griffey would have been able to compete in any era as well. Not sure about Sosa and Mac. Take away their steroids and they were not really all that good. Mac was a better "hitter" than Sosa was.

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