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  1. #1
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    Hello, I'd like to talk about some policy maybe?

    I've been feeling disengaged politically for a little bit lately. To me, a lot of what everyone is talking about in this moment of time I just am not terribly interested in. Part of that is due to the insanity of the right wing culture war. Like...I will NEVER log onto this site and argue with a right winger about CRT

    But also, to the left of center, not much has been happening legislatively.

    Ultimately, I just see a lot of distractions. I feel like collectively the eye is a little less on the ball right now than maybe it has been, if that makes sense. Most things people are talking about feel trivial to me. I think distracting people from the real and critical issues has long been a core purpose of the GOP. Democrats love to distract too. Or maybe it's the natural cycle and policy only is trendy when elections are happening. IDK. But I do know that I just don't care about most things anyone is talking about!

    I do like talking about policy!

    I think it would be interesting if people shared what they felt are the ~5 biggest issues facing this country right now. And, ideally, what policy you would like to see DC adopt to solve those problems.

    It's a dumb prompt, but I'd rather talk about literally anything else besides any of the threads ciaban has ever made, let alone 90% of the other stuff on the front page of this forum right now.

    I'll share mine soon!

    EDIT: No disrespect to infrastructure.
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    I agree. I think the distractions are the majority of the show these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    I've been feeling disengaged politically for a little bit lately. To me, a lot of what everyone is talking about in this moment of time I just am not terribly interested in. Part of that is due to the insanity of the right wing culture war. Like...I will NEVER log onto this site and argue with a right winger about CRT

    But also, to the left of center, not much has been happening legislatively.

    Ultimately, I just see a lot of distractions. I feel like collectively the eye is a little less on the ball right now than maybe it has been, if that makes sense. Most things people are talking about feel trivial to me. I think distracting people from the real and critical issues has long been a core purpose of the GOP. Democrats love to distract too. Or maybe it's the natural cycle and policy only is trendy when elections are happening. IDK. But I do know that I just don't care about most things anyone is talking about!

    I do like talking about policy!

    I think it would be interesting if people shared what they felt are the ~5 biggest issues facing this country right now. And, ideally, what policy you would like to see DC adopt to solve those solutions.

    It's a dumb prompt, but I'd rather talk about literally anything else besides any of the threads ciaban has ever made, let alone 90% of the other stuff on the front page of this forum right now.

    I'll share mine soon!

    EDIT: No disrespect to infrastructure.
    We have a thread weighing the beifits of different energy source IR to climate change.

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    As far as CRT stuff goes it kinda depends.

    If we're talking in circles around abstract ideas and can't agree on definitions. Then I don't think it's worth it. But if it's about to concreate policy. Like what's being laid out here.

    https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status...00167459037184

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    As far as CRT stuff goes it kinda depends.

    If we're talking in circles around abstract ideas and can't agree on definitions. Then I don't think it's worth it. But if it's about to concreate policy. Like what's being laid out here.

    https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status...00167459037184
    Why isn’t this a school board issue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    As far as CRT stuff goes it kinda depends.

    If we're talking in circles around abstract ideas and can't agree on definitions. Then I don't think it's worth it. But if it's about to concreate policy. Like what's being laid out here.

    https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status...00167459037184
    Another Trojan horse lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
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    I remember when $4.5 trillion dollars wasn't nothing.

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    Sorry to distract from your thread. I responded to Ciaban before I read the OP


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Why isn’t this a school board issue?


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    This is coming down from the State, not the local school boards.

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    Let's try to keep it to the OP request and talk policy.

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    Perhaps it would be best for ManRam to state his five first so folks can try and follow his pattern
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    1. Climate Change – an issue without a parallel. The consequence of inaction is incomparable to the consequences of inaction on any other issue. If you still are a climate change denier you are a loon and a stooge. A blind sheep making all of the world’s worst corporations proud. Letting humans plunder and destroy the planet for profit.

    Solution: if you accept that climate change is happening and that the consequences will be dire (a point we should all be at by now…but alas…) I don’t understand how you can push for anything other the boldest and most robust solutions. Something like the Green New Deal and/or the Civilian Climate Corp that progressives are pushing for seem like the most serious solutions at this point, if for no other reason than they are simply more bold and vast than everything else. I would quit my soul-sucking corporate job in a heartbeat to be a part of something like the CCC. In a heartbeat.

    Transitioning from our reliance on fossil fuels to renewable green energy does not have to cost jobs. Nor should it. It’s very easy to smash that conservative/Joe Manchin talking point if you support these transformative solutions. Both of these things are not just bold climate solutions…but they are massive jobs and infrastructure programs. They would do so much good, and if you’re a Republican saying “but who’s gonna pay for it”, the answer is the rich. And if you still have a problem with that, I don’t ever want you to bash the left for being “coastal elites” or whatever. Profits over everything, the GOP way.

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    https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/h...6hres109ih.pdf

    2. Income Inequality – the rich just keep getting richer at the expense of everyone else. According to inequality.org, over the last 16 months the countries 713 billionaires added $1.8 trillion in wealth, a gain of almost 60%. That represents about 1/3rd of their wealth gains over the last 3 decades. Jeff Bezos is worth almost $200B right now, making a staggering amount of money this past year+.

    Millennials own significantly less wealth than any of the generations before them. Collectively they own about 5% of this countries wealth. In the late 80s, when boomers were the same age as millennials are now, they controlled 21% of the nation’s wealth, for example. The amount of personal debt younger generations are straddled with is truly astounding. Crippling.

    Again, the issue of inequality is inarguable to me. You either care or you don’t.

    Solutions: anything. Do anything. Literally anything. Wiping out student debt would help out so, so, so many young people who are straddled in debt. We need a wealth tax. We need the government to protect its people from capitalist overreach, whereas for 40+ years they’ve been facilitating it. Very broad problem, lots of solutions. The federal minimum wage is laughable and if you support it you are, again, a good little sheep. We need to protect and expand the power of unions. We need to invest boldly into federal jobs programs (infrastructure/climate). We need to guarantee healthcare for all. We need to make higher education more affordable, like it once was. We need the wealthiest to pay their share. Etc. Obviously I’d like more foundational changes to our economy, but yeah…ANYTHING!

    3. Healthcare – We need m4a. End of story. Our healthcare system is expensive and inefficient. It’s a joke compared to most of the rest of the “developed” world. When my mother has a stroke and is in the hospital for 4 months because a blood vessel decided it wanted to pop, well, you shouldn’t have to be on the hook for that. Millions of dollars. It’s insane. Medical debt is ruinous, and avoidable. The government CAN do good things for you. We don’t just have to settle for this current system because “capitalism good socialism bad”. Get over it. I don’t really need to keep going with this one. Every Democrat needs to be at this point by now. Obamacare is neither affordable nor does it cover enough people. Come on.

    For me…those are the three. I could keep going for a while, but those are the three I spend most of my time thinking about. They're what I want to see first when I'm looking at political candidates. It's not to trivialize the other issues. I think criminal justice reform is massively important. We lock up so many people for such stupid reasons. Our criminal justice system is largely punitive and not at all rehabilitative. Police are overfunded and overinvolved. I think gun violence is obviously another massive issue – a uniquely American one. I think obviously preserving voter rights and upholding democracy are as important now than ever. And then there’s foreign policy…don’t get me going.

    Will any of this happen? No. We can’t have good things. The GOP exists solely to ensure that’s a reality, and most Dems don’t care enough to fight. The right would rather just whip their base into a frenzy with the culture war nonsense than ever attempt to pass legislation that helps anyone out. I don’t see many people on the right these days that aren’t mere reactionaries and tribalists. But our government doesn’t really ever do much besides cut taxes for the rich and wage wars

    And its especially frustrating when the urgency for a lot of this seems to die when Dems hold power. It should be the opposite. Now’s the time!

    Not rich on policy here, but this is already an essay.

    So yeah, if anyone else wants to share their top issues, feel free too. I’m very curious about the right-wingers, obviously. But also the more moderate Dems. It’s not always easy to tell.
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    So you ask for policy and provide some ManRam which is great but then drag conservatives thru your mud. Were you wanting policy discussions and/or just an excuse to take conservative shots?
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    I would say my top 3 issues are the same as yours. Healthcare has long been a main issue for me and I think the system is clearly broken/trickle down type approach hurts the average person in the end at the benefit of a few. Climate change is getting to be a larger and more important concern though so I can’t overly argue those rankings currently.

    I would say cleaning up the election process/system in general. From voter suppression to getting money out is also a higher concern. I think we are far more likely to get change on the key issues being talked about for the last 15 or whatever years if we had different types of politicians catering to different interests (hopefully the people if not the $).


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    Yup, he came up with all these things just to shoot conservative, not that these things need to be discussed. If you notice he diss democrat as well. In fact, ManRam is one of the few posters that take shots at both parties who have failed this country.
    There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

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