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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Are you glad we left?
    Yes. Are you glad our exit was a disaster?
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    Pulling out of Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Yes. Are you glad our exit was a disaster?
    Was it? Conservatives keep saying this like there is some awesome way to lose a war. There was one terrible incident at the airport. If someone told you ahead of time we would be completely withdrawn from Afghanistan but we would suffer 13 casualties due to a terrorist attack during the withdrawal what would you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    I don't know if anyone supported the President. Still worth mentioning. He's the President. He does not have to go with the Advisors. He also has no where to deflect when he doesn't.
    It is not worth mentioning in the conversation where you said it because you don't know it if is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Yes. Are you glad our exit was a disaster?
    I believe that exiting from a 20 year war after leaving losing was going to be a disaster. It is like ripping off a bandaid. It needed to be done quickly and be done with it. We don’t own Afghanistan and we don’t have the responsibility to fix it. Now we can focus on America First and fix problems here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    do I need to explain to you how deregulation works? Your question implies yes.
    So all you see is Trump scaled back or eliminated some rules and some of your bills went down. You can’t name them and you don’t even know (apparently) which did what. Please, explain to me how deregulation works, every one that put money in your pocket. Don’t just blanket statement it. Help me learn, bro.

    For a pro-lifer you should’ve been against the change to endangered species, for starters. Can’t imagine how that saved you money, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Biden's accolades certainly aren't plentiful. But honestly, at this point, I don't really expect any President to be able to step in there and actually get much done. Trump did nothing that materially improved the lives of the average American in his 4 years. Obama has a couple of wins to his name but also a whole lot of nothing. George Bush? LOL.

    Our government as it presently exists isn't really capable of doing much. Especially because of the political climate.

    I struggle because of my expectations. I had/have very low expectations for Biden, so when he surprises me like he did with ending the war it affords him a lot of good will to me. But he's clearing a low bar and I know he's not going to move us forward on healthcare. I know we're not going to get something like the GND or a civilian climate corps...or see real and meaningful criminal justice reform. We're not going to see most of everything I feel like we need. Hell, even his handling of Covid has left plenty to desire. But if Biden can turn the withdrawal into a major ramp down in military spending, and start spending that money elsewhere in ways that actually help people, in some ways I'll take it. That feels like settling, but the upside to this Presidency wasn't ever going to be more than that.


    And the fact that most of what he actually is trying to get done is being sabotaged by centrist/establishment Democrats really is something else...yet not surprising. No one is a bigger hindrance towards progress in this country than the Joe Manchins and Kathleen Rices of the world. This Party is not fit to lead us forward. It's astounding to me how many Democrats still don't realize this...yet keep punching left.
    Biden has control of the house and senate. He certainly should have more “wins” than he does


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    Biden has control of the house and senate. He certainly should have more “wins” than he does


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    Problem is all the money in this country will forever oppose any bit of progressive progress (see: the Dems paid off to vote against the pharmaceutical bill) and many Democrats are quite conservative, regardless of what your propaganda-riddled brain thinks. And that includes Biden, which is...yeah...his own ****ing problem. Dude's career up until not too long ago was that of a conservative's. Count your lucky stars (not actually, because you constantly vote against your actual self-interests).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Problem is all the money in this country will forever oppose any bit of progressive progress (see: the Dems paid off to vote against the pharmaceutical bill) and many Democrats are quite conservative, regardless of what your propaganda-riddled brain thinks. And that includes Biden, which is...yeah...his own ****ing problem. Dude's career up until not too long ago was that of a conservative's. Count your lucky stars (not actually, because you constantly vote against your actual self-interests).
    You mean he’s not a Trojan Horse for socialism?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You mean he’s not a Trojan Horse for socialism?


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    Yea it’s almost like all that stuff is just a lie to draw out their base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Problem is all the money in this country will forever oppose any bit of progressive progress (see: the Dems paid off to vote against the pharmaceutical bill) and many Democrats are quite conservative, regardless of what your propaganda-riddled brain thinks. And that includes Biden, which is...yeah...his own ****ing problem. Dude's career up until not too long ago was that of a conservative's. Count your lucky stars (not actually, because you constantly vote against your actual self-interests).
    Yeah, and don’t forget that Manchin and Sinema are too worried about either their own self interest and/or getting re-elected to make any kind of real change possible. I get that not every Dem is going to just follow party lines (that’s the other guys) but to say that Biden controls the house and senate is just more ingenuity.


    Still have no idea how these people vote against their own self-interest and think somehow that they’re doing anything other than just being used so the rich can keep getting rich while occasionally throwing them a bone. Unless you’re a superrich, white, straight, male, you have no reason to vote Republican unless you’re either really racist or……..really missing the big picture.

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    So the pentagon admitted that their deadly drone strike that killed 10 civilians was an error.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjuQm7QcRc0
    Well, they said "whoops" time for everyone to get over it and move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    So the pentagon admitted that their deadly drone strike that killed 10 civilians was an error.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjuQm7QcRc0
    Well, they said "whoops" time for everyone to get over it and move along.
    With any luck, that will be the last drone strike in the region. But odds are we will be back fighting the war in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    certainly debatable. I can see both sides.
    hehe ... both sides.

    I would much rather have used spies rather than the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    With any luck, that will be the last drone strike in the region. But odds are we will be back fighting the war in no time.
    This is the kind of all-too-common crapblast of a response that the blood-thirsty armchair patriots (like NBAall the way) demand — and then of course conveniently ignore when a new generation of terrorists emerge (probably older brothers of some little girls killed in this strike — and to be honest, who could blame them?)

    I love our official response as noted in this AP wire piece:



    “Earnest belief”…”reasonable certainty”…”tragic mistake”…Sounds like the same excuses we have used for decade to lie to blatantly lie to the public in a desperate attempt to justify a Midlle East policy that has been a total failure since we violently crowbarred the Shah into power in Iran back in the early 50’s (and probable even earlier than that).


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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    So the pentagon admitted that their deadly drone strike that killed 10 civilians was an error.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjuQm7QcRc0
    Well, they said "whoops" time for everyone to get over it and move along.
    No. People should face the consequences for this. These sorts of drone strikes have been happening for nearly two decades now. Every President. 10,000+ strikes in Afghanistan. Thousands killed, including many children and civilians. Obama has as much blood on his hands as the rest...none of this is partisan for me. The ratio of terrorists killed vs. civilians killed is an embarrassingly tiny one.

    And no one has really ever been held accountable. You right-wingers are suddenly trying to drop sick owns on us "well they said 'oops' time to forget about it" after not giving one single **** about civilian casualties in any of the wars for however long it was politically opportunistic to ignore it. Like we're not the ones that want to end this war for reasons exactly like this

    It's good you now think it's bad (because a Dem is President). Glad to have you here. Let's prosecute those responsible for 17 years of war crimes!

    Just kidding. This is a country that will prosecute those that expose US war crimes with 100x the vigor we'll prosecute those that actually do them.

    Again, this is all the more reason why this war needs to end. Feign your outrage in your normal partisan ways...but we agree with you buddy! This is not OK! The war was very bad. These things are very bad. It needs to end and people need to pay the consequences. For 20 years worth of crimes.
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