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  1. #2056
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    https://twitter.com/shamscharania/st...671371777?s=21

    Doesnít even want to talk to teammates.
    Doing all he can to help the Sixers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Does he not realize that by behaving this way he is causing himself to be red flagged? Or at the very least hurting his own value and making it even harder for Morey to move him? if he really wants to get traded maybe stop acting like such a little *****?

    If I'm a rival GM and I'm reading this stuff Im thinking, why would I want to trade for a guy who cant shoot, but also is a giant douche bag who only cares about himself?
    At this point who in their right mind would even want Ben?
    Like, even if he doesn't end up coming back, this is the biggest whiff yet by his camp. Yet people are on twitter going "How did they mess it up this much with Ben?" Like really? I don't give a **** if you are going to come back yet. Let them come out, let them say their piece in apologies for how it went down, let them understand your position in feed back of why it won't work to come back.

    Like not only have you completely shot any chance of coming back if something isn't workable, you've also built yourself a GIANT uphill battle going into any new locker room with this stunt. Not only that you have one of the most despised agents by FO's because of the stuff he's pulled on teams.

    I think on top of coming up with a deal for Ben, if you are the team dealing for him you've got to get Morey to OK for him to talk to you so you (the acquiring team) can make sure he's willing to buy into your plan as a team.

    Additionally, I think that the issue is no longer that the Sixers value Ben too much...it's that he's made himself toxic for anyone to go fo. We're not going to give up assets with him (and shouldn't, despite his flaw he's still a really damn good player), and he's contract is big enough that it's going to take a fair sized number of contracts to move him.

    Before, I was on the bandwagon of let's "fine" him for not showing up, then just not collect when he shows up. At this point I would fine his *** broke and not even make the effort to move him. I rather have a wasted roster slot than give in to this unearned entitled prick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    I think with this report if you are Minny, Houston, or Sacto; you've got to be fully out right? You don't have a lockerroom with a vet strong enough to make an impact on Ben. He so badly needs a Lillard/Curry type of guy to be his teammate who will tell him what to do and get Ben respecting him.
    I donít know if Simmonsí baggage in Philly necessarily follows him elsewhere. He could work out fine in the right situation for his skill set.
    Simmons legitimately fits better with Towns than with Embiid. I could see those two terrorizing the league, and Simmons deferring to Towns as the alpha on offense.
    Sacramento and Houston probably wouldnít be great. Simmons would be a great bridge for the Warriors.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Doing all he can to help the Sixers.
    Basically pulling a page out of the AD/Rich Paul playbook. New Orleans should just move Zion now because Ben's paving the way for his eventual departure.

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    It's all about perspective and whether you like Simmons or not. I mean, you all, most of whom seem to be more pro Philly and anti Simmons view it as a negative thst he told teammates not to bother. If you like him, and you're a GM traded for him, you can absolutely read that as his issue isn't with players, it's with the front office and coaches so it doesn't matter what the players say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblisterdundee View Post
    I donít know if Simmonsí baggage in Philly necessarily follows him elsewhere. He could work out fine in the right situation for his skill set.
    Simmons legitimately fits better with Towns than with Embiid. I could see those two terrorizing the league, and Simmons deferring to Towns as the alpha on offense.
    Sacramento and Houston probably wouldnít be great. Simmons would be a great bridge for the Warriors.



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    Absolutely agree. Philly is a bad fit. Embiid is rightfully the guy they should build around, but Simmons isn't a great fit along side embiid. Embiid wants to play slow and focus on the half court. Simmons needs to play fast. I think you can build around those two, but there's no margin for error and it's a bunch of 3 and D guys with at least 1 stud guard, like a Brad Beal type or even a Klay type. But the margin for error is slim and Philly wasn't able to do that.

    But you put him with guys like Towns and Edwards, and I think the fit could work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    It's all about perspective and whether you like Simmons or not. I mean, you all, most of whom seem to be more pro Philly and anti Simmons view it as a negative thst he told teammates not to bother. If you like him, and you're a GM traded for him, you can absolutely read that as his issue isn't with players, it's with the front office and coaches so it doesn't matter what the players say.
    You almost rather it be with the players at this point. The problem him having an issue with the coaching and front office is, if you trade for him and things don't go well what do you do? Do you have your coaching staff continually change? Do you try to ship him out and potentially get even less than you gave up?

    At least with players being the issue the team taking him on can say new locker room, new teammates, better fits could be an easy sell for why it would work for you. We've seen plenty of situations where the players on the court didn't like each other and changed the behaviour completely when they got into a new situation.

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    Ben is continually making the situation worse and worse for himself:
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    Brian Windhorst says Ben Simmons playing in front of Sixers fans is a Ďfactorí in him wanting out of Philadelphia

    ďHe doesnít want to be in front of those fans. ÖI donít think he intends to ever show his face there again.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    You almost rather it be with the players at this point. The problem him having an issue with the coaching and front office is, if you trade for him and things don't go well what do you do? Do you have your coaching staff continually change? Do you try to ship him out and potentially get even less than you gave up?

    At least with players being the issue the team taking him on can say new locker room, new teammates, better fits could be an easy sell for why it would work for you. We've seen plenty of situations where the players on the court didn't like each other and changed the behaviour completely when they got into a new situation.
    Maybe, but there's the flipside of his coach being pretty unsupportive after a playoff loss and his GM liking memes making fun of him, it's not hard for a front office and coaching staff to look at that and say those are pretty easy things to avoid doing.

    And I'd argue that with salary implications and things like that, changing the coaching staff is much easier than mass overhaul of players though.

    I'm not saying I 100% support what Simmons has done. That being said, it seems this forum spins everything he does as super negative. He hasnt handled it well, but Philly's front office and coaches also handled it really poorly. Some half hearted attempt to make up after you realize the trade market sucks isn't going to give you a stud doesn't make up for it.

    Again, I dont think he's handled it well. But I absolutely don't blame him for saying in done with this org.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    Maybe, but there's the flipside of his coach being pretty unsupportive after a playoff loss and his GM liking memes making fun of him, it's not hard for a front office and coaching staff to look at that and say those are pretty easy things to avoid doing.

    And I'd argue that with salary implications and things like that, changing the coaching staff is much easier than mass overhaul of players though.

    I'm not saying I 100% support what Simmons has done. That being said, it seems this forum spins everything he does as super negative. He hasnt handled it well, but Philly's front office and coaches also handled it really poorly. Some half hearted attempt to make up after you realize the trade market sucks isn't going to give you a stud doesn't make up for it.

    Again, I dont think he's handled it well. But I absolutely don't blame him for saying in done with this org.
    Heís getting paid 35 million dollars a year, committed for 4 seasons, and totally sunk his team in the playoffs. He is 100% to blame


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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    It's all about perspective and whether you like Simmons or not. I mean, you all, most of whom seem to be more pro Philly and anti Simmons view it as a negative thst he told teammates not to bother. If you like him, and you're a GM traded for him, you can absolutely read that as his issue isn't with players, it's with the front office and coaches so it doesn't matter what the players say.
    If the problem isnít with the players then he should give them a chance to say their piece. I canít imagine they called the meeting to tell him off. Rather probably want to understand where heís coming from and support him. This can easily be perceived as Simmons brushing his team mates off because he doesnít care about them and only cares about himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Like, even if he doesn't end up coming back, this is the biggest whiff yet by his camp. Yet people are on twitter going "How did they mess it up this much with Ben?" Like really? I don't give a **** if you are going to come back yet. Let them come out, let them say their piece in apologies for how it went down, let them understand your position in feed back of why it won't work to come back.

    Like not only have you completely shot any chance of coming back if something isn't workable, you've also built yourself a GIANT uphill battle going into any new locker room with this stunt. Not only that you have one of the most despised agents by FO's because of the stuff he's pulled on teams.

    I think on top of coming up with a deal for Ben, if you are the team dealing for him you've got to get Morey to OK for him to talk to you so you (the acquiring team) can make sure he's willing to buy into your plan as a team.

    Additionally, I think that the issue is no longer that the Sixers value Ben too much...it's that he's made himself toxic for anyone to go fo. We're not going to give up assets with him (and shouldn't, despite his flaw he's still a really damn good player), and he's contract is big enough that it's going to take a fair sized number of contracts to move him.

    Before, I was on the bandwagon of let's "fine" him for not showing up, then just not collect when he shows up. At this point I would fine his *** broke and not even make the effort to move him. I rather have a wasted roster slot than give in to this unearned entitled prick.
    I donít even understand his or his agents strategy. If your goal is to get traded then why are you doing everything you can to tarnish your image further?

    Before I was actually intrigued by the idea of having him on the Raptors or Rockets because I know how good he can be. But now Iím thinking this guy is a major drama queen and the cons will out weight the pros

    Heís def an entitled little prick and itís going to take a lot to shake that rep.
    Last edited by smith&wesson; 09-25-2021 at 04:44 PM.

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    I hope he keeps lowering his value lol.

    I really want a Russell/edwards/mcdaniels/Simmons/towns lineup.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    I donít even understand his or his agents strategy. If your goal is to get traded then why are you doing everything you can to tarnish your image further?

    Before I was actually intrigued by the idea of having him on the Raptors or Rockets because I know how good he can be. But now Iím thinking this guy is a major drama queen and the cons will out weight the pros

    Heís def an entitled little prick and itís going to take a lot to shake that rep.
    Gotta wonder if they want to go the route of basically getting a grievance filed to void his contract and the attempt is to make his trade value so bad that the only option is to fine him and leave him at home.

    This is either going to send player empowerment over the top or kill it depending on what happens.

    Additionally we do have new information of the timeline based on recent reporting.
    Sixers lose game 7 to the Hawks on June 20, 2021
    At the 2021 Combine, June 21-27, the Sixers and Rich Paul met, this is where Simmons requested a trade
    Early July the Sixers start fielding trade calls
    August 2021 Ben indicated he won't show up.
    September 2021 it becomes more official he won't show.
    Sept 25th 2021 Ben tells teammates he won't show up.

    This is where I have the issue with people that still want to put the blame at the Sixers feet. It's one public comment and he asks out. Nothing was said negative out of the Sixers in the weeks following the loss. If you refer to the first two lines of the timeline, Ben basically never gave a chance for the Sixers to come to the table and work with him. Especially when this was the time there were reports that he was "willing to work with the Sixers on his shooting."

    Rich Paul played the media early on to make Simmons look sympathetic by somehow keeping this trade request under wraps. Morey called the bluff and now Simmons is coming out of this looking terrible.

    I have really hit the point where I don't think he ever wanted to be here, the not shooting thing, the off court celebrity ****, the not trying at times were all an effort to get himself traded. And when that all backfired he waited for the first sliver of opportunity (June 20th) to use that as ammo to make the Sixers look like the bad guy to get traded. like why even sign your max deal then. Take a QO and hit free agency sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    I donít even understand his or his agents strategy. If your goal is to get traded then why are you doing everything you can to tarnish your image further?

    Before I was actually intrigued by the idea of having him on the Raptors or Rockets because I know how good he can be. But now Iím thinking this guy is a major drama queen and the cons will out weight the pros

    Heís def an entitled little prick and itís going to take a lot to shake that rep.
    Yep. Totally selfish and not coachable. Clueless why anyone would want his baggage. The Sixers should just let him stay him and keep letting this crap costing him finesÖ

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