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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    I just did that lineup that way but in reality, the fact that you have 4 guys who have experience handling the ball makes their roles interchangeable.
    I guess... I think were getting carried away with positionless basketball with a line up like that. I get it we like the idea of length, but there is a lot of overlap in skill set there. And I think a team with smaller, quicker guards would expose that line up. I kinda like what we have with our line up currently better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    And that gets right back to the big mystery of what is Ben willing to do, and unfortunately nobody knows which continues to push his value down.
    Which Iíve never disagreed with and said itís the bigger mystery. Iíve said it already but if I were a team acquiring Ben, Iíd want to talk to him before we finalize the trade to find out what exactly is up.

    Like, heís worked on stuff. Clearly he does something in the offseason. The question should be why didnít he do what the team asked him. Does he think he knows better or did he just not like the Sixers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Which Iíve never disagreed with and said itís the bigger mystery. Iíve said it already but if I were a team acquiring Ben, Iíd want to talk to him before we finalize the trade to find out what exactly is up.

    Like, heís worked on stuff. Clearly he does something in the offseason. The question should be why didnít he do what the team asked him. Does he think he knows better or did he just not like the Sixers?
    I wasn't trying to imply you didn't already know it. I think you have a pretty good handle on this whole situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    I guess... I think were getting carried away with positionless basketball with a line up like that. I get it we like the idea of length, but there is a lot of overlap in skill set there. And I think a team with smaller, quicker guards would expose that line up. I kinda like what we have with our line up currently better.
    I'm comfortable with it. With Nurse experimenting as a coach and Masia/Bobby, we can make it work IMO. We can always reshuffle lineups so we move Barnes to bench and then we start Simmons at C, Pascal at PF and OG at SF with 3 point specialists.

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    This is all via The Athletic:
    Early on last season, when the intel coming the Philadelphia 76ers guardís way indicated that heíd likely be trading places with then Rockets-star James Harden, Simmons was so convinced that new Sixers president Daryl Morey was about to reunite with his favorite franchise player that he started researching on the real estate front. If you had to pinpoint a moment when emotional ties were severed between Simmons and the only NBA franchise he has ever known, that may have been it.
    Even if no one knew it at the time.
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    Fast forward to Monday afternoon, when Morey, Sixers coach Doc Rivers and big man Joel Embiid all spoke at length about Simmonsí absence from their training camp during the teamís media day, and it should surprise no one that their messages fell flat when they reached the Simmons camp. If anything, it only added to the agitation.
    Yet of all the problem areas to explore, thereís none more unyielding and impossible to ignore than this: People who have intimate knowledge of how he sees this situation continue to insist that heís done playing with Embiid. Thereís nothing personal about this choice, it seems, but the 25-year-old Simmons has clearly decided that his career is better off without Embiid blocking the runways in the paint that he so badly needs to succeed.
    As he sees it, sources say, the organizationís choice to build its basketball ecosystem around Embiidís style simply isnít conducive to the way he needs to play. So while Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he wants Simmons back, this much is clear: The feeling is not mutual.
    ďIt has run its course,Ē the source said of their pairing.
    When he met with the Sixers brass at the Los Angeles home of his agent, Rich Paul, in August, telling managing partner Josh Harris in direct fashion that he no longer wanted to play for his club, the goal was to avoid this sort of mess. Sources say the Sixers had come equipped with all sorts of reasons that he should want to stay, and even supported the argument with a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing. But his view, his uneasy feelings about the problematic fit remained unchanged.

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    OG actually had a ton of success as a small ball center this past season. Even if they don't trade for Simmons I bet we see plenty of Barnes/Siakam/OG lineups

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    I think people need to see this cause there is confusion.

    Jamal is the only player that can be traded to make salaries work. Denver is also not trading Jamal.

    Denver has to wait til December before they can trade anyone else to make salaries work.

    When MPJ is averaging 23ppg those rumors will be silenced.

    Aaron Gordon and Simmons is not much different. Simmons is the better defender, Gordon is the better fit to Jokic.

    Simmons wants to be Giannis but Denver isnít an iso group. We rank in the middle and the bulk of those is when Jamal is without Jokic and vice versa.

    I donít see anyone in management saying that on any team, but definitely not Booth or TC. But beat reporters like Blackburn is right 90 percent of the time and he said there is absolutely no chance Simmons comes to Denver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    I think people need to see this cause there is confusion.

    Jamal is the only player that can be traded to make salaries work. Denver is also not trading Jamal.

    Denver has to wait til December before they can trade anyone else to make salaries work.

    When MPJ is averaging 23ppg those rumors will be silenced.

    Aaron Gordon and Simmons is not much different. Simmons is the better defender, Gordon is the better fit to Jokic.

    Simmons wants to be Giannis but Denver isnít an iso group. We rank in the middle and the bulk of those is when Jamal is without Jokic and vice versa.

    I donít see anyone in management saying that on any team, but definitely not Booth or TC. But beat reporters like Blackburn is right 90 percent of the time and he said there is absolutely no chance Simmons comes to Denver.
    Iíd argue though Jokic is one of the few centers that would work with Simmons due to the fact Jokic doesnít play out of the post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    I think people need to see this cause there is confusion.

    Jamal is the only player that can be traded to make salaries work. Denver is also not trading Jamal.

    Denver has to wait til December before they can trade anyone else to make salaries work.

    When MPJ is averaging 23ppg those rumors will be silenced.

    Aaron Gordon and Simmons is not much different. Simmons is the better defender, Gordon is the better fit to Jokic.

    Simmons wants to be Giannis but Denver isnít an iso group. We rank in the middle and the bulk of those is when Jamal is without Jokic and vice versa.

    I donít see anyone in management saying that on any team, but definitely not Booth or TC. But beat reporters like Blackburn is right 90 percent of the time and he said there is absolutely no chance Simmons comes to Denver.
    that completely slaps the first part of what you said lol... simmons isnt just a better defender he is a way better defender and a way better play maker all while being a much better player lol. If you asked all the gms to take gordon or simmons all are taking simmons without hesitation lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Iíd argue though Jokic is one of the few centers that would work with Simmons due to the fact Jokic doesnít play out of the post.


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    Jokic absolutely plays in the post. Not as much as some but he needs to have guys play off of him and that obviously isn't Simmons. He seems to want the te to revolve around him and that's sure as **** not gonna happen in Denver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    This is all via The Athletic:
    The fact that he and his agent think it's a good idea to be unprofessional in the face of the stern trade demands is baffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    that completely slaps the first part of what you said lol... simmons isnt just a better defender he is a way better defender and a way better play maker all while being a much better player lol. If you asked all the gms to take gordon or simmons all are taking simmons without hesitation lol
    I said he was the better defender? Gordon ranks in the top 15 in field goal percentage allowed when he is the closest defender. He has done very well against the premier offensive forwards in the league. I donít understand your point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Iíd argue though Jokic is one of the few centers that would work with Simmons due to the fact Jokic doesnít play out of the post.


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    *Jokic doesnít only play out of the post.

    He was third in post ups per game last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    *Jokic doesnít only play out of the post.

    He was third in post ups per game last year.
    I should have said doesnít have to. Because of their ability to space some, KAT and Jokic as few of the 5ís that work. Wood, BLopez, AD (if he were to play the 5), Vooch to name most the others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZNC View Post
    Jokic absolutely plays in the post. Not as much as some but he needs to have guys play off of him and that obviously isn't Simmons. He seems to want the te to revolve around him and that's sure as **** not gonna happen in Denver.
    Simmons would have to be a willing cutter.

    The biggest problem Denver would have with Simmons isnít his flaws, itís the pre-Madonna attitude. Malone will call out his stars. Malone calls his team out. The poor me attitude doesnít fly in Denver with Malone. You donít get your way, Murray, Jokic and especially MPJ at the beginning of their careers are great examples. You fall in line.

    This is my opinion but I donít think Malone and Simmons would get along.

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