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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    You said "Everyone eventually goes to two-party system whether they want to or not" as if it's just something that happens. It isn't though because there are third and fourth and fifth parties in other countries, we just have laws that limit other parties here.

    I didn't address what you said on healthcare because we both know healthcare isn't going to be discussed in this entire two year congressional term. I'll spoil for you what's going to happen. They are going to spend the rest of the summer trying to pass infrastructure, but they won't. They will then take a hiatus and come back and try to get something done on immigration. That will take the rest of the year and they probably won't even accomplish that because they'll try to move so far to the right on it the progressives won't vote on it. The media and the Joe Manchin's of the world, and you apparently, will then blame the left for nothing getting done and we'll enter 2022 with nothing major passed. The GOP will be even less inclined to vote with us because it's an election year and McConnell will be laughing all the way because Democrats will have almost nothing to show for being in control of the legislative and executive branches of government. Biden can "be in favor of a public option" all he wants, when it goes unaddressed for an entire congressional cycle it will be apparent how little of a priority it ever was.
    WHY WOULD THEY DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT HAS 0 CHANCE AT PASSING!!! They need more seats in the Senate. Jesus.

    Man it's going to be real awkward when you lefties realize that protectionist policies regarding the border, are a fundamental part of most socialist countries, and it's going to be real awkward when you realize guys like Bernie Sanders have been for stronger borders, and less immigration for 5 decades.

    But hey continue to think that stronger borders and less immigration is a strictly right wing principle, ignoring the fact that outside of Trump for the last 40 years this country has been knee deep in neoliberalism, and relied on immigration for continued growth and lowered costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    Can you explain to me why $15/hour minimum wage can't pass the Congress when it got more votes in the state of Florida than Donald Trump, who won the state? Is it because Senators hate getting votes or because they are paid to be against it?
    Because like 60 senators aren't for it?

    Are the vast majority of Economists that agree that raising the federal minimum wage to $15/hr isn't a good idea, also paid off? Is it the deep state? Please which conspiracy are we going to lean on here?

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    Isn't Florida a republican state? There is the democrat road to undercutting Republican support. Win republican voters they so cherish over progressive. Nay, the donors don't want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    That $15/hour pipe dream got more votes in Florida than Donald Trump. Supporting a living wage will lead to political success and that fact alone proves how wrong you are. You're embarrassing yourself.
    Thatís great and Iím glad. Which is one of the reasons why Iíve said before and Iíll say it again. Democrats need to start focusing on the state level. I know the DNC has talked about a 50 state strategy and I hope they start executing one. Because most of these things need to be executing there.

    Once again itís not that I have issues with their policies. Itís the politics and how they go about executing the policies. Itís always been Democrats Achilles heel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Isn't Florida a republican state? There is the democrat road to undercutting Republican support. Win republican voters they so cherish over progressive. Nay, the donors don't want it.
    Florida is a swing state the leans right.

    If you honestly think that FLorida passing a law in their own state indicates they want the law passed FEDERALLY, you don't understand the foundational beliefs of the Conservative party in this country.

    I would bet Floridians are simultaneously for the passing of a $15/hr minimum wage in their state, and against a federal minimum wage of $15/hr. As Florida is the most anti federal government state in the nation probably. Even more so than Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    Florida is a swing state the leans right.

    If you honestly think that FLorida passing a law in their own state indicates they want the law passed FEDERALLY, you don't understand the foundational beliefs of the Conservative party in this country.

    I would bet Floridians are simultaneously for the passing of a $15/hr minimum wage in their state, and against a federal minimum wage of $15/hr. As Florida is the most anti federal government state in the nation probably. Even more so than Texas.
    A lot of Americans across the nation are for raising the minimum wage, especially the working poor, and Medicare for all, but I understand it is more important what sixties senators want. I get it. I am sure that will be a great selling point for them come election time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    Florida is a swing state the leans right.

    If you honestly think that FLorida passing a law in their own state indicates they want the law passed FEDERALLY, you don't understand the foundational beliefs of the Conservative party in this country.

    I would bet Floridians are simultaneously for the passing of a $15/hr minimum wage in their state, and against a federal minimum wage of $15/hr. As Florida is the most anti federal government state in the nation probably. Even more so than Texas.
    How in hell can you make an assumption like that? They are fine with themselves getting it but no one else? You are cracked on this one.
    Last edited by WES445; 06-13-2021 at 08:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    A lot of Americans across the nation are for raising the minimum wage, especially the working poor, and Medicare for all, but I understand it is more important what sixties senators want. I get it. I am sure that will be a great selling point for them come election time.
    Itís not more important. Itís the only import thing. You can poll and find 99% of people want a policy but if 60 senators wonít vote for it, itís entirely irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Itís not more important. Itís the only import thing. You can poll and find 99% of people want a policy but if 60 senators wonít vote for it, itís entirely irrelevant.
    So why would those people vote for those senators?. Why not have a dictatorship and skip the pretense of democracy? Representative government. Here I thought we vote for representatives to represent our interest and not their paid interest. Silly me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    So why would those people vote for those senators?. Why not have a dictatorship and skip the pretense of democracy? Representative government. Here I thought we vote for representatives to represent our interest and not their paid interest. Silly me.
    If you want to propose a way to entirely remake our government, youíre welcome to do it. But until you come up with that, propose solutions that can actually be implemented. The system is what it is and you either tear it down or work within it.

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    What is the definition of a sheep in political terms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    So why would those people vote for those senators?. Why not have a dictatorship and skip the pretense of democracy? Representative government. Here I thought we vote for representatives to represent our interest and not their paid interest. Silly me.
    Because it's probably not as big of an issue as you seem to think it is.

    Because a lot of politicians have realized that doing minimum wage hikes works best at the county/city level, and to work their way to the state level. Because in some areas minimum wage hikes can be detrimental for small businesses.

    This is why we live in a Democratic Republic and not a pure Democracy. Because for instance in my state we moved the minimum wage up slowly in the metropolitan areas on a county by country basis, and slowly moved the state minimum wage up so we wouldn't kill the farming industry on the east coast. And even with being one of the most liberal states in the USA we still don't have a $15 minimum wage statewide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    How in hell can you make an assumption like that? They are fine with themselves getting it but no one else? You are cracked on this one.
    You can't be seriously asking this question..... Like you don't understand that a lot of red states are against the Federal government and want things governed from a state level. These are not contradictory opinions. It's not "we don't want anyone else to have it" it's "we don't want to tell anyone else how to run their state".

    This is like a fundamental difference between the parties. I don't see how you can't comprehend this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    So why would those people vote for those senators?. Why not have a dictatorship and skip the pretense of democracy? Representative government. Here I thought we vote for representatives to represent our interest and not their paid interest. Silly me.
    Have any proof that they are representing their "paid interest" by not pushing for a $15/hr.

    Or are we doing the normal online leftist things and asserting conspiracy anywhere their polices don't seem to get passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    A lot of Americans across the nation are for raising the minimum wage, especially the working poor, and Medicare for all, but I understand it is more important what sixties senators want. I get it. I am sure that will be a great selling point for them come election time.
    More Americans are for the Public Option than M4A. Does that change how you feel on what should be passed in the USA or are you going to continue to push for M4A?

    You assume raising the minimum wage does anything to prevent a "working poor". Do you think someone in Seattle making 15/hr isn't still in the "working poor".

    Bidens tax credit did way more to help the "working poor" than a 15/hr minimum wage hike.

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