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    Biden should NOT run in 2024

    It was very important that Donald Trump lose the 2020 election, so Biden needed to win by default, but Biden being the President has only helped the donors and put the establishment back in charge. The things happening in Washington right now is honestly exactly why Donald Trump ever became President in the first place. The establishment doesn't work and only serves to take money out of our pockets to give to corporate donors. Take a look at the "bipartisan" infrastructure bill. Not only does it fail to effectively address our crumbling infrastructure, but it's paid for solely on the backs of the middle and lower classes. No taxes on corporations or rich people, but you can bet that it would increase the gas tax and add more tolls on roads and bridges. $15/hour minimum wage isn't under consideration because the modus operandi in Washington is to make sure everything funnels to the top.

    That's the problem, the United States is the richest nation in the history of the world, but we are collectively a very unhappy society because we treat each other like savages. We're the only nation that doesn't provide our citizens with healthcare, and placing the burden of supplying healthcare on employers helps keep wages low. Money employers could be giving their workers is instead spent on providing healthcare. We have a tax code that is designed for rich people to avoid, because they don't earn wages the same way we do. We work a job and earn wages, wages account for a fraction of rich people's income. They get paid through dividends and capitol gains. Capitol gains are taxed very differently from wages. We're operating on two very different fields of play.

    The point I'm trying to make is the system isn't fair, and it wasn't designed to be. Joe Biden doesn't want to do anything to change the system and so things are only going to continue to get worse. He was never going to be "FDR 2.0" because he's not in favor of what he was forced to campaign on to trick democratic voters into voting for him. He doesn't want $15/hour minimum wage, he doesn't want to spend on infrastructure, he and the majority of Democrats are hiding behind Joe Manchin in the Senate because they don't want to pass robust legislation that would change our country. They just want to keep flowing money to the top, which in turn takes it out of our pockets, and gaslight us all the way.

    Joe Biden is clearly not the leader we need right now, he's only more of the same and having yet another President that contributes to these systemic issues is only going to bring along someone or something that's worse than Trump. For a guy who has desperately wanted to be President longer than I've been alive, Joe Biden sure as hell isn't doing anything noteworthy. He's just another corrupt politician. We need the priorities of our government to change, and it is a black and white situation. Either we continue to funnel money to the top or we stop. We've been doing it for 50 years and the middle class is almost completely gone. We need new leaders and we need to make sure we elect a new President in 2024 because Joe Biden is inadequate.
    Last edited by TylerSL; 06-12-2021 at 05:28 PM.

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    This isnít a very good argument.

    The infrastructure bill that Biden has proposed isnít paid for by taxes on middle class workers.

    $15 minimum wage isnít up for discussion because it wonít get 60 votes. Itís literally a non-starter.

    They arenít hiding behind Joe Manchin. They are operating in the system that exists.

    It seems like you have a faulty understanding of how our government operates. We donít get to snap our fingers and make laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    This isnít a very good argument.

    The infrastructure bill that Biden has proposed isnít paid for by taxes on middle class workers.

    $15 minimum wage isnít up for discussion because it wonít get 60 votes. Itís literally a non-starter.

    They arenít hiding behind Joe Manchin. They are operating in the system that exists.

    It seems like you have a faulty understanding of how our government operates. We donít get to snap our fingers and make laws.
    I 100% guarantee that Biden will end up endorsing this "bipartisan" deal in the Senate because that will be his only shot to get 10 Republican votes. Guess what though, he won't get the votes. He has lowered his infrastructure plan from $2.3 trillion initially down to $900 billion, of which only $579 billion is new spending as the other $321 billion was already appropriated for COVID relief.

    On minimum wage don't get it twisted, $15/hour can't get 50 votes in the Senate because the Democratic Party doesn't want it. Sinema was downright giddy when she voted it down, watch the video. $15/hour minimum wage is popular though and if the Democratic Party was serious about making it happen they would get more votes. Take Florida for example, $15/hour minimum wage got 61% of the vote in the state, 6.4 million votes. Trump carried the state with 51.2% for a total of 5.67 million votes. More people voted for minimum wage increase in the state of Florida than votes for Donald Trump. Biden didn't even campaign on $15/hour. If he did he might have won Florida and the election wouldn't even have been close.

    What I understand is the only major legislation that Biden has signed to date was a COVID relief package that was weaker than what Donald Trump wanted. You don't think Biden could get Manchin to bend to his will easily if he really wanted to? Manchin about had a heart attack when the VP went to West Virginia to try to garner support for the COVID package that was already popular. He would fold faster than you could blink if Biden himself started putting public pressure on him to pass his agenda. Biden is as quiet as a mouse when it comes to Joe Manchin, hence the hiding remark.

    Democrats aren't getting the Republicans to work with them on anything, they can't even get a January 6th commission out of the GOP. They won't get infrastructure either, and the bill negotiated in the Senate isn't worthy of a vote anyway. Biden and the Democrats told everyone we needed to win the Georgia seats so we could pass legislation and the voters actually came through and Dems took the Senate. If we don't get anything done how can we ask people to continue to vote for us? If we lose either the House or Senate in 2022, Biden's Presidency is over. A McConnell-led Senate means he won't even get Judicial appointments let alone pass legislation and if the Republicans take the House he might get impeached.

    It's not about snapping our fingers together, but realizing that one party has absolutely no interest in governing with the other. If we don't end the filibuster, he's not passing anything regardless. If we do change the filibuster and pass badly needed and popular legislation, the GOP won't be able to compete. What are they going to tell people, that they want to lower wages and pollute the air? Seems like a losing strategy, but what do I know right?
    Last edited by TylerSL; 06-13-2021 at 08:08 AM.

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    Love Biden! Hope he serves at least 2 more terms


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Love Biden! Hope he serves at least 2 more terms


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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    It was very important that Donald Trump lose the 2020 election, so Biden needed to win by default, but Biden being the President has only helped the donors and put the establishment back in charge. The things happening in Washington right now is honestly exactly why Donald Trump ever became President in the first place. The establishment doesn't work and only serves to take money out of our pockets to give to corporate donors. Take a look at the "bipartisan" infrastructure bill. Not only does it fail to effectively address our crumbling infrastructure, but it's paid for solely on the backs of the middle and lower classes. No taxes on corporations or rich people, but you can bet that it would increase the gas tax and add more tolls on roads and bridges. $15/hour minimum wage isn't under consideration because the modus operandi in Washington is to make sure everything funnels to the top.

    That's the problem, the United States is the richest nation in the history of the world, but we are collectively a very unhappy society because we treat each other like savages. We're the only nation that doesn't provide our citizens with healthcare, and placing the burden of supplying healthcare on employers helps keep wages low. Money employers could be giving their workers is instead spent on providing healthcare. We have a tax code that is designed for rich people to avoid, because they don't earn wages the same way we do. We work a job and earn wages, wages account for a fraction of rich people's income. They get paid through dividends and capitol gains. Capitol gains are taxed very differently from wages. We're operating on two very different fields of play.

    The point I'm trying to make is the system isn't fair, and it wasn't designed to be. Joe Biden doesn't want to do anything to change the system and so things are only going to continue to get worse. He was never going to be "FDR 2.0" because he's not in favor of what he was forced to campaign on to trick democratic voters into voting for him. He doesn't want $15/hour minimum wage, he doesn't want to spend on infrastructure, he and the majority of Democrats are hiding behind Joe Manchin in the Senate because they don't want to pass robust legislation that would change our country. They just want to keep flowing money to the top, which in turn takes it out of our pockets, and gaslight us all the way.

    Joe Biden is clearly not the leader we need right now, he's only more of the same and having yet another President that contributes to these systemic issues is only going to bring along someone or something that's worse than Trump. For a guy who has desperately wanted to be President longer than I've been alive, Joe Biden sure as hell isn't doing anything noteworthy. He's just another corrupt politician. We need the priorities of our government to change, and it is a black and white situation. Either we continue to funnel money to the top or we stop. We've been doing it for 50 years and the middle class is almost completely gone. We need new leaders and we need to make sure we elect a new President in 2024 because Joe Biden is inadequate.
    Totally agree and good luck with your stance with the tribal members.
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    Good to see the progressive Democrats turn on themselves inside 6 months of Joe being in office. Not surprising in the least, I think we all knew they play to lose so it was just a matter of time.

    Should be smooth sailing for the Republicans in the House elections and then in 2024 to put the nail in the coffin for Democrats and progressive dreams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Good to see the progressive Democrats turn on themselves inside 6 months of Joe being in office. Not surprising in the least, I think we all knew they play to lose so it was just a matter of time.

    Should be smooth sailing for the Republicans in the House elections and then in 2024 to put the nail in the coffin for Democrats and progressive dreams.
    We've known what Biden is for longer than six months I can tell you that. If the GOP win in 2022 the fault lies entirely on the corporate Democrats who chose to protect their donors over passing the legislation they promised.

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    Yeah, it is all the progressive fault. Dude, the democrat party had the reputation as the "do-nothing party" long before the progressive gang of four enter congress.

    Let see, american voted for a two-bit actor over a democrat, a ex-cheerleader beat a democrat and we just had a game show host beat a democrat just four years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Good to see the progressive Democrats turn on themselves inside 6 months of Joe being in office. Not surprising in the least, I think we all knew they play to lose so it was just a matter of time.

    Should be smooth sailing for the Republicans in the House elections and then in 2024 to put the nail in the coffin for Democrats and progressive dreams.
    Progressive Democrats think that we can magically snap our fingers and change policy regardless of the rules our government has in place for making laws.

    Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema recognize what will happen if they repeal the filibuster. The next time Republicans gain both chambers of congress and the presidency they will repeal all sorts of laws that they donít like and Democrats wonít be able to stop them. They learned from what Harry Reid did in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Progressive Democrats think that we can magically snap our fingers and change policy regardless of the rules our government has in place for making laws.

    Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema recognize what will happen if they repeal the filibuster. The next time Republicans gain both chambers of congress and the presidency they will repeal all sorts of laws that they donít like and Democrats wonít be able to stop them. They learned from what Harry Reid did in 2013.
    We can't, and due to this **** country allowing voter repression laws, it's becoming more and more clear nothing will EVER change unless there is a violent country wide revolution.


    I'm not a proponent of it but I just don't see another way for it to play out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Progressive Democrats think that we can magically snap our fingers and change policy regardless of the rules our government has in place for making laws.

    Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema recognize what will happen if they repeal the filibuster. The next time Republicans gain both chambers of congress and the presidency they will repeal all sorts of laws that they donít like and Democrats wonít be able to stop them. They learned from what Harry Reid did in 2013.
    That was the crazy thing about all the articles blasting McConnell for "packing the lower courts" and "reshaping our lower courts" that **** only happened because Harry Reid removed the filibuster on lower court appointments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    That was the crazy thing about all the articles blasting McConnell for "packing the lower courts" and "reshaping our lower courts" that **** only happened because Harry Reid removed the filibuster on lower court appointments.
    That happens because McConnell block all of Obama's picks to the courts including the supreme court. Now he says he will do the same if the republicans gain control of the senate in 2022. Kind of overlooked that didn't you.
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    It isn't about snapping fingers but fulfilling the campaign promise that worthless Joe made to get in office. Agreement made to progressive to hold their nose to vote for Sleepy Joe. He did tell his donors "Nothing will change". I guess he didn't lie to them.
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    By the way, there is growing movement against Joe Manchin in his home state. It seems the West Virginians are tired of him bowing to donor's money instead of them.
    Last edited by WES445; 06-12-2021 at 07:45 PM.
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