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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Connect what dots????

    Poster accuses me of using the "up from the bootstraps" phrase in an effort to prove I am old (I am) and out of touch (not by a long shot). I ask to show me where I said that and no one can.

    So your response is "connect the dots." Brilliant.

    Failed again. What a clown.
    Too bad the goalposts are not moving for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    If only you were there to give them your patented bootstraps speech, maybe on a street corner with a bullhorn they'd see the light.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I don't believe I ever made a "patented bootstraps speech." It's one of those things that get attributed to me even though I never said it……a common occurrence here. (Like saying that I approved internment camps 80 years ago. I never said that either.)
    Your quotation marks were there simply because you were directly quoting Valade16, whose figurative reference was the starting point of this segment (and was not in quotation marks).

    Keep pushing them goalposts for if at first you don’t succeed…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Connect what dots????

    Poster accuses me of using the "up from the bootstraps" phrase in an effort to prove I am old (I am) and out of touch (not by a long shot). I ask to show me where I said that and no one can.

    So your response is "connect the dots." Brilliant.

    Failed again. What a clown.

    And I admit to using the word "supper."
    No I did not. I accused you of giving a bootstraps speech, not using that specific term. You give a variation of the same speech on here all the time.

    I'm surprised you haven't saved yourself the time and just written it down in a word document to copy and paste as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    No I did not. I accused you of giving a bootstraps speech, not using that specific term. You give a variation of the same speech on here all the time.

    I'm surprised you haven't saved yourself the time and just written it down in a word document to copy and paste as needed.
    I save the copy n paste for spiels about "supper."

    And, by the way, taking advantage of opportunities to make it on your own………true-ism. You may want to copy n paste that. Maybe make a sign for you little bulletin board. You can put it right on top of that nugget from BO where he says you didn't do that on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Too bad the goalposts are not moving for you.



    Your quotation marks were there simply because you were directly quoting Valade16, whose figurative reference was the starting point of this segment (and was not in quotation marks).

    Keep pushing them goalposts for if at first you don’t succeed…
    You talking about succeeding……need to give that some thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I save the copy n paste for spiels about "supper."

    And, by the way, taking advantage of opportunities to make it on your own………true-ism. You may want to copy n paste that. Maybe make a sign for you little bulletin board. You can put it right on top of that nugget from BO where he says you didn't do that on your own.
    I'll just have someone else do it and then claim I did it on my own.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/c...161610901.html

    Keep wondering why people refuse to work for **** pay and long hours while this type of wealth gap grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/c...161610901.html

    Keep wondering why people refuse to work for **** pay and long hours while this type of wealth gap grows.
    And what all these rich defenders don’t understand is this economic model is not sustainable. It’s not sustainable to have all the wealth congregated among the few while everyone else is poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    And what all these rich defenders don’t understand is this economic model is not sustainable. It’s not sustainable to have all the wealth congregated among the few while everyone else is poor.
    Looking forward to Sluggo’s old canard of a response: “Yeah, but what do you think the rich do with their money?”

    Besides move it offshore? Not much.

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    The system is set up to funnel the money to the top, something that has been strength over the last few decades. You will never have this played up in the media or address on the congressional dockets. Lock-in and protected by both, even if the system destroys the country.

    What is unnerving is this wage inequality has gotten to a point where a large portion of society can't afford to own the roof over their heads or afford rent in some cities. Places like Walmart educating their workers on how to obtain federal assistance. That is where it is going, the working poor, lower middle class won't be able to live without federal assistance.

    If we continue to shatter people's American dream to have something of their own, then they will start wondering what is the use in believing in bs that only benefit a few?

    Why not, if it allows Bezos and his peers to built and ride their own space ships.
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    A Few Words on Capitalism that Most Americans Don’t Realize

    Capitalism works until it doesn’t
    You learn in school about capitalism in a vacuum – it always works perfectly in school, but it works very imperfectly once you get into the real world.

    Pure competition – capitalism works until there is a lack of competition in a service or product sector, then it doesn’t.
    Real World – capitalism isn’t about competition, it’s about eliminating competition. The goal is to kill your competitors. If you can’t kill them, join them. Either way, no competitors or very few.
    The goal in a sector is monopoly, if you can achieve it.
    Oligopoly – a few big guys are the sector. Functions similarly to a monopoly because the few realize it is more profitable to collude ether overtly or covertly than to compete.

    Size matters – big kills small. Big can afford to absorb losses that small can’t. A classic strategy is for big to endure losses until small cries uncle and folds or is bought out. Happens all the time.
    Size matters – the more capital you have the more money you make. The less, the less you make. E.g. A billionaire will make a hundred million a year (presuming 10% rate of return on investment)
    Conversely, a person with a hundred thousand will make 10,000 a year.
    Next year, the billionaire will have 1 billion, 100 million. The hundred thousand-aire will have 110,000. The billionaire will still be making 1000% more than the other guy only on a
    much larger base. i.e. like a magnet, the bigger pile of cash will attract more and more cash into its pile compared to the other guy. Capitalism is all about size – it matters more than
    anything else.
    Size matters – In a vacuum, capitalism and a democracy operate in a vacuum from each other. In reality, the bigger the capital pile, the greater the political influence. Thus the big pile of capital is
    used to bribe lawmakers into making laws to skew the big pile’s advantage much further than it already is.
    Real World – the rich get richer, the rest get relatively (and actually) poorer. The term capitalism gives it away. You’ve got capital, you advance. You don’t got capital, tough luck buddy.

    Capitalism with a small c – the little guys. Mom and Pop. This capitalism is good thing. It rewards innovation and hard work, all the things we’re taught are good in capitalism – and they are.
    The little guys work under real competition – until the big guys run them out of business.
    Capitalism with a big C – the big guys. The guys who kill their competition because they can. The guys who routinely bribe politicians to gain an even greater advantage. The guys whose pile
    continues to grow totally out of proportion with their contribution to the economy and society because of the fatal flaw of capitalism – the bigger the pile, the more
    you make, increasing exponentially over time. Capitalism with the big C must be regulated and must be checked because of capitalism’s fatal flaw the big guys pile gets
    bigger year after year and everybody else’s pile gets smaller year after year. It must be regulated/checked to distribute the wealth fairly. It won’t do it on its own.
    Predatory Capitalism – The big C capitalists eat the little C capitalists. Example: Starbucks builds a store across the street from Mom and Pop Coffee. Mom and Pop have been in business for years,
    have a dedicated clientele and make a 10% profit margin. Starbucks takes 20% of Mom and Pop’s business. Starbucks, which is huge, can afford losses on this new store
    forever. However, Mom and Pop, after a year of red ink due to the siphoning off of a small but significant part of their clientele due to oversaturation of the market in the
    area, close down. Now, Starbucks has all of the coffee drinkers to themselves. It’s called predatory capitalism and if you’ve wondered why all of the shopping centers in your
    state now are comprised solely of the same handful of big box stores, now you know. Mom and Pop don’t stand a chance in today’s America, only the big C boys do.
    Real World – Capitalists with a big C own the government, the schools by proxy of government ownership, and the media. You will not hear from any of these sources about the fatal flaw of
    capitalism. You need to use your common sense to divine this apparent mystery.
    If left to its own means, capitalism will inevitably produce a handful of filthy rich and 99% with either nothing or very little or heading in the direction quicker and quicker as time
    goes on of having very little or nothing. It’s the way capitalism, left unregulated and unchecked, works or, actually, doesn’t work. Its it’s fatal flaw.

    You will hear about free markets, which don’t happen to exist because thru bribes they are totally skewed towards big C capitalists already, however the greed of the big C capitalists is
    insatiable and they will always complain about whatever few regulations are still left on the boards in an attempt to gain even more of an unfair advantage. As it is, the markets as they
    are now, will eventually bankrupt all except the richest of us. Again, the media, the government and our schools will never tell you how un-free (skewed in the direction of the rich) the
    markets already are seeing as all of these institutions are owned by the rich.

    Real growth vs. faux growth – when the US was young, in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, real growth was possible because the country was actually growing. That stopped in the 1930’s.
    After that, it’s been growth by bubble. The bubble for the next fifty years after that was inflation. Another built in flaw of capitalism is it needs growth, always. No one invests unless
    they can get a return. And the only way to get a return when real growth ends is a bubble. Inflation was that bubble for many years. But inflation devalues existing capital and, of
    course, the rich, who own that capital, are opposed to inflation. Therefore, under Reagan, when the rich now had the unfettered upper hand in politics in the US, inflation became an
    enemy. So, to grow, we’ve had an unending stream of other bubbles since. Art, housing, internet, the stock market … All artificial growth. The rich putting their money in the next
    “thing”. Of course, the rich, being the insiders, pull out of these bubbles at the peak with the rest of us ending up holding the bag when the bubble bursts.

    Sherman Anti-Trust Act – None of this is new. In the late nineteenth century, government was under enormous pressure by the people to get capitalism back under control. And Teddy Roosevelt and
    the trust busters did just that. Breaking up monopolies and getting capitalism back on track. This is desperately needed again. Fortunately, back then, there was no mystique
    about capitalism as an economic system so the general public had no qualms about looking for something better in its place seeing how capitalism wasn’t working for most
    folks. Back then, big C capitalists had to back off or capitalism would be no longer. Unfortunately for us, in this day and age, capitalism is considered sacred by the masses
    in the US. Therefore, there is no political will by the masses to get capitalism back on track. The rich big C capitalists have done a good job of brainwashing the populous over
    the past ninety years. Owning the government, schools and media as they do, it’s been a simple task to turn the masses against their own interests. The mere mention of
    intervening with the “purity” of capitalism as it is now is considered to be wanting to implement the two most evil words in the English language: socialism or, even worse,
    communism. These have been made dirty words over the years by big C capitalists who don’t want to share any of their unfairly gained wealth with anyone. The big C
    capitalists only want more. They like the unfair, unequal, the bigger the pile, the more you make way of capitalist life just fine, thank you. Any thought of getting this incredibly
    unfair wealth distribution system back into balance is pure blasphemy and must be condemned severely and unequivocably.

    Libertarians – Shills for the rich. The rich like the unjust, unfair, unequal, big guys win, everyone else loses system just the way it is. Their only gripe is that they want it to be even more unjust and
    unfair. Their ******** premise is that somehow capitalism is perfect the way it is. No flaws in their eyes, the eyes of the folks with the big piles of capital, of course. The markets, in their
    skewed eyes, are free and almost perfect as they are (they’d be even more perfect if whatever restrictions are left now would be removed). Of course the markets are currently not free.
    If you have any doubts look at 2008 and 2020 when the government poured trillions into bailing out the big C boys when they about to drown. The rest of us don’t get bailed out – we’re
    Free to drown. When you hear this shills for the rich talking about free markets, call them out about the two bailouts – if there were really free markets, these clowns would have all lost
    their shirts many times over, as they should have. Libertarians will tell you that its not a zero sum game. If you let the big C capitalist run wild, it will help everybody. ********. And if you
    doubt me, look at the last forty years. Who got all the wealth and who has lost – big time? Try believing you lying eyes for once instead of these corporate shills.

    Entitlements – I would like to confront any politician who uses the word “entitlements” especially when it comes to something like Social Security. I paid into Social Security my entire life and will ever
    get back what I put into it. The word “entitlement” as used by these garbage politicians insinuates some sort of a giveaway. And it was, me to the government. A punch in the mouth at
    the mere utterance of the word is the least these piece of dreck politicians deserve. By the way, social security was set up originally as a separate fund that would have easily paid for
    itself as time has gone on except for one thing. The government illegally spent the money in this fund year after year for expediency. Yes, they spent the money that was to be put
    aside for social security and then had the balls to say there is no money for it. Every one of these politicians for the past sixty years should be locked up for gross misappropriation of
    public funds.

    Free education, medicare for all, the access to clean air and clean water, access to affordable housing. These are entitlements that all Americans should have. Any politician who says we can’t afford
    these “entitlements” and then votes for a military bill to piss away hundreds of billions on military each year is a liar and a hypocrite . And that’s getting off easy. These garbage
    politicians are and have been stealing from us for decades. The big C capitalists have the bucks to pay for education, health care, their retirement, their housing and anything else they
    want. Therefore, because they don’t need it, they are opposed to the government to providing for these basic needs to all Americans. They are a disgrace. If the US government stopped
    pissing away trillions in military spending to prop up the big C capitalist businesses abroad, there would be more than plenty to provide for all American’s basic needs. If the US
    government taxed the big C capitalists anywhere remotely near their fair share, there would be more than plenty to provide for all American’s basic needs.

    Racism – makes the world go round. The biggest tool in the big C capitalist toolbox to keep average Joe Americans in line is racism. Divide and conquer. Joe white guy, Joe latino, Joe red guy, Joe
    yellow guy, Joe brown guy – all have a lot in common. Particularly financially. They’re all working class Joes with exactly the same financial interests. If you divide them, make them vote
    on anything but their financial interests, then you, big C capitalist, have won. It’s really as simple as that. Republicans are the white low and middle class Joes. Democrats are everybody
    else. With some minor exceptions, of course. And there you have it, two parties, both representing big C capitalists while the masses divide and go vote on anything but their own financial
    interests. Tribalism rules the day now and probably forever. By the way, it is not in the interest of average Joes to support big C capitalists. Big C capitalists are the enemy of average Joes.
    Big C capitalists devote their time devising ways of taking every nickel out of average Joes pockets and putting those nickels in their own. We’re not talking about mom and pop capitalists.
    Big C capitalists are just as big an enemy to mom and pop as they are to average Joe. First of all, big C is devoted to putting mom and pop out of business. Secondly, every law that big C pays
    Congress to enact is with the benefit of big C in mind and to the detriment of everybody else, average Joe and mom and pop. Libertarians, shills for the rich, will lie to you and tell you that
    what’s good for big C is also good for average Joe and mom and pop. It’s not a zero sum game. If it’s not a zero sum game why are average Joe and mom and pop dying while big C has
    never been richer?

    Globalism – It’s interesting how you hear nothing in the media, or schools, or government about the biggest scam on the American public in our and, possibly any, lifetime – globalism.
    Starting with Reagan in the Eighties and continuing with the Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Trump and Biden, the one consistent theme has been for American corporations to relocate to China.
    So the wealthiest nation in human history unilaterally dismantled all of its wealth production and shipped it overseas. And, for what? Short term profit. The ability to pay slave wages. The
    ability to pollute with impugnity. The ability to pay lower taxes. So now we don’t produce ****. Actually, we do produce **** since I consider weapons production as producing ****.
    What other bunch of complete *******s in history has ever unilaterally impoverished itself? The greediest, short term, ******* act of financial suicide in world history. And not a peep in
    the media or the government or your schools about it. By the way, Trump paid lip service to bringing the corporations back to America. He lied. He knew he was lying when he said it. I
    knew he was lying when he said it. And, if you’re stupid enough to actually think he wasn’t lying, go name a corporation he brought back from China – you moron.

    CEO’s ability to buy stocks in their own company. Leveraged buyouts. – The Reagan era, followed and enabled by the Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Trump and Biden administrations led the way to the
    big C capitalist class looting of the rest of America. One law after another has been passed enabling the rich to steal wealth from the rest of us, without one law in the past forty years
    being passed for the good of average Americans vs. the big C Capitalist class. Reagan’s laws allowing CEO’s to own stock in their own companies was the most egregious. Suddenly, short
    term profit taking took precedent over long term anything. Anything to raise stock prices. Fire your workers, globalize your company, continually buy back your company’s stock rather than
    invest in it. This one single law, more than anything else, was the ruination of America. In second place was Clinton’s rescinding Glass-Steagall which allowed banks, the backbone of a
    capitalist economy, to become bingo parlors. Not only should Glass-Steagall be reinstated, but, really, all banks should be state owned and run. Run to provide capital to the little guy so
    that you actually have an economy that works. At the same time, start enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act, which is still on the books, vigorously.
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    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Yup.
    You read that! You are bored.

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    Bored

    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    You read that! You are bored.
    It's a complex topic that requires a rigorous explanation.

    What's boring is those too lazy to educate themselves.

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    Okay, but how the **** do you have less than a thousand posts here in 11 years?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    It's a complex topic that requires a rigorous explanation.

    What's boring is those too lazy to educate themselves.
    This is PSD. Cliff notes man. You lost everyone but crovash after the first 40 words because he's the only one sitting around looking for things to do.

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