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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownPacerFan View Post
    Also, just me, or does he totally pass the eye-test? Looks can be deceiving, but this doesn't look like a complete fluke to me.
    His average exit velo has been Stanton-like... when he puts a ball in play. Unfortunately his K rate cannot be ignored. He's not gonna homer every 7 AB.

    But I think you absolutely start him every day until he truly cools off. He should probably start over Bote when he returns.

    Heyward and Sogard need to be bench players. Happ-KB-Joc should probably be the regular OF. Then hopefully when Nico returns, you'll have Wisdom-Javy-Nico-Rizz

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
    He'll obviously slow down and cool off but yeah he does look comfortable at the plate and has a smooth swing...

    I said before, hopefully at the very least he'll become a very good bench bat

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    Right,when I say "not a fluke", I mean he looks like a solid MLB bat. I obviously don't mean the guy is going to hit .400 forever, lol.

    Smooth swing, good eye, good plate coverage, and he's doing damage on a variety of pitch types. I guess anyone can have a crazy hot streak over a small sample, but he looks too good to be a bum on a lucky roll, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOwolfOL View Post
    His average exit velo has been Stanton-like... when he puts a ball in play. Unfortunately his K rate cannot be ignored. He's not gonna homer every 7 AB.

    But I think you absolutely start him every day until he truly cools off. He should probably start over Bote when he returns.

    Heyward and Sogard need to be bench players. Happ-KB-Joc should probably be the regular OF. Then hopefully when Nico returns, you'll have Wisdom-Javy-Nico-Rizz
    It's concerning, but in today's game, you can strikeout 30% of the time, and still be productive. If the power is legit, he can be an MLB bat even if the strikeouts are a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownPacerFan View Post
    Right,when I say "not a fluke", I mean he looks like a solid MLB bat. I obviously don't mean the guy is going to hit .400 forever, lol.

    Smooth swing, good eye, good plate coverage, and he's doing damage on a variety of pitch types. I guess anyone can have a crazy hot streak over a small sample, but he looks too good to be a bum on a lucky roll, IMO.
    Hot streak and he can also just be a late bloomer...
    Who knows, maybe he took advantage of last summer and worked on stuff that helping him now

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    Another Wis-bomb. Unreal


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    Wisdom has produced 1.1 fwar in 40 PA lmao

    His xwoba is 493

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownPacerFan View Post
    Right,when I say "not a fluke", I mean he looks like a solid MLB bat. I obviously don't mean the guy is going to hit .400 forever, lol.

    Smooth swing, good eye, good plate coverage, and he's doing damage on a variety of pitch types. I guess anyone can have a crazy hot streak over a small sample, but he looks too good to be a bum on a lucky roll, IMO.
    Im sure Red fans thought the same about Aquino when he did this in 2016. Wisdom is fun to watch right now but hes probably just on a roll. He might not be a bum though. I think realistically he could be a decent power bat and defensive backup and Id be happy with that outcome.

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    Earlier this season the Cubs were one of the worst hitting teams in the history of baseball and now the offense is being carried by a random dude whos on one of the hottest hitting streaks in the history of baseball. Funny how this game works sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOwolfOL View Post
    His average exit velo has been Stanton-like... when he puts a ball in play. Unfortunately his K rate cannot be ignored. He's not gonna homer every 7 AB.

    But I think you absolutely start him every day until he truly cools off. He should probably start over Bote when he returns.

    Heyward and Sogard need to be bench players. Happ-KB-Joc should probably be the regular OF. Then hopefully when Nico returns, you'll have Wisdom-Javy-Nico-Rizz
    Bote hasn't been good fit for this team the last few seasons, given his contact issues, should have been traded. Somebody had the bright idea to give a bench player a longterm guaranteed contract.

    Get Marisnick, Nico, Duffy, all back, plus Wisdom and we have so many options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratos View Post
    Bote hasn't been good fit for this team the last few seasons, given his contact issues, should have been traded. Somebody had the bright idea to give a bench player a longterm guaranteed contract.

    Get Marisnick, Nico, Duffy, all back, plus Wisdom and we have so many options.
    I'm not sure it's anything but just getting overly jazzed about small sample sizes to imply Marisnick and Duffy are better options than Bote, and then to call him a "bad fit". Bote's been well worth his salary so far. He hasn't been paid $2m yet and he's racked up 3 wins in 295 games. To put this in perspective, Jake Marisnick has 6.8 fWAR in 729 games. Given the same amount of games, Bote would be at 7.4 fWAR over that same amount of playing time. Matt Duffy has most of his career fWAR from a very outlier, 4.4 fWAR season.

    We're letting a hell of a lot of recency bias in if Jake Marisnick and Matt Duffy are shining examples of bench players. Both have been very nice so far, but Marisnick has been nice for 64 PA's this year, and Duffy for 100. We're not in "career revelation" status. In fact, Duffy's numbers are shockingly similar to his 2019 line:

    2019: 11.2 BB%, 17.2 K%, .075 ISO, .252/.343/.327
    2021: 10.4 BB%, 17 K%, .078 ISO, .278/.377/.356

    2019 resulted in an 88 wRC+ and a below replacement level player. So, what's the difference? So far, he's got a pretty unsustainable 80% contact% on pitches out side of the zone and his barrel% is double what he's done most of this career, which has likely resulted in a jump in BA and BABIP. With that said, 100 PA's is not enough to time to suggest this will keep and it's 50/50 as to whether that will continue. If the barrel% goes back to what his career line is (2.7%), you're probably right back to the 88 wRC+ hitter he was (which is right around what Bote was last year).

    I don't want to paint Bote as anything amazing. He's what an okay bench player is supposed to do; he's over his career been an acceptable enough hitter, posting wRC+s in the mid-90s to low 100's while playing adequate enough defense. He's under contact for 3 more years, but the AAV is that which won't hurt the Cubs; if he can just be what he's been (a ~1 fWAR player), he'll be worth the money he was paid. Jake Marisnick and Matt Duffy, despite their hot starts, are probably equitable to David Bote on the bench. They're ~1 fWAR players. Marisnick has had a shockingly good last 90 PA's, dating back to last year, but has done so with a BABIP .80 points over his career. It's probably safe to assume the magic 90 PA's are 90 PA's and are probably not indicitive of what's to come. Do I think any are "bad" bench options? No. But I don't think it's anything other than recency bias as to imply that two of them are any better than one of them. I'd put them all in the same exact bucket; these are okay options to have on the bench, but none of them are overly exciting options, either. They have skillsets which can be valuable (Marisnick is valuable defensively, Duffy has contact% that are solid, Bote's displayed decent power) but enough warts that only make them "okay" options (Marisnick can't hit unless his BABIP is .380, Duffy can't slug his way out of a wet paper bag, Bote struggles against one side every year and has no staying power).
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    In 2019 when Sogard had a great half and convinced some that he had maybe unlocked something he had a xwoba about 40 pts lower than his actual woba (342).

    This year he's doing the same, only his woba is 259. Yes, he has an xwoba of 227. A hard hit rate of 17%. He is so damn awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOwolfOL View Post
    In 2019 when Sogard had a great half and convinced some that he had maybe unlocked something he had a xwoba about 40 pts lower than his actual woba (342).

    This year he's doing the same, only his woba is 259. Yes, he has an xwoba of 227. A hard hit rate of 17%. He is so damn awful.
    Yep. Sogard is ******. He's always been ******. Cannot wait for the team to DFA him. Can't stand seeing him play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    Yep. Sogard is ******. He's always been ******. Cannot wait for the team to DFA him. Can't stand seeing him play.
    Exactly. Sogard is a ****ing waste of a roster spot.

    Id rather see Alcantara get the majority of playing time at 2nd and Sogard can kick rocks.

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