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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCrusher View Post
    I understand that but with lindor and McNeil here they really had no place to play. When it comes to pitching you can never have enough. Plus Last years draft was built mostly around Ginn just like Allan and Kumar in the others years draft. I’m pretty confident Ginn isn’t going anywhere
    J.T. Ginn SP NYM FB-50/55 SL-55/60. CH-45/50. CMD- 35/50. Sits-91-94 Topps-96 FV-45

    He has a plus Slider and an average FB.
    He has the same velocity as Peterson, better slider-worse command.


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    Michael Mayer@mikemayer22

    José Berríos makes a ton of sense for the Mets with Marcus Stroman and Noah Syndergaard both free agents after the season.

    In terms of how good he's been in 2021, his 2.3 fWAR is the same as Taijuan Walker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    Wheeler is the 2nd best pitcher in the game right now.
    Debatable...id say top 10.

    Which is where I think Berrios potential ceiling could be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by n8ghee View Post
    Debatable...id say top 10.

    Which is where I think Berrios potential ceiling could be.


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    This year

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    #	Name	Team	W	L	SV	G	GS	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	BABIP	LOB%	GB%	HR/FB	vFA (pi)	ERA	xERA	FIP	xFIP	WAR
    
    1	Jacob deGrom	NYM	7	2	0	15	15	92.0	14.28	1.08	0.59	.206	86.9%	44.0%	9.4%	99.1	1.08	1.56	1.23	1.61	4.8
    2	Zack Wheeler	PHI	6	5	0	18	18	119.2	10.91	1.96	0.53	.287	78.0%	49.7%	8.5%	97.4	2.26	2.44	2.25	2.71	4.5
    3	Carlos Rodon	CHW	7	3	0	15	15	89.2	13.05	2.61	0.70	.277	82.7%	39.5%	8.6%	95.9	2.31	2.54	2.35	2.94	3.6
    4	Kevin Gausman	SFG	9	3	0	18	18	114.2	10.44	2.35	0.63	.212	84.7%	44.2%	7.5%	94.7	1.73	2.84	2.56	3.31	3.4
    5	Nathan Eovaldi	BOS	9	5	0	18	18	103.1	8.62	1.74	0.44	.334	70.4%	43.7%	5.4%	97.4	3.66	3.64	2.60	3.57	3.4
    6	Brand Woodruff	MIL	7	4	0	18	18	113.1	10.24	1.99	0.71	.223	82.9%	46.5%	11.0%	96.7	2.06	2.73	2.69	2.94	3.3
    7	Gerrit Cole	NYY	9	4	0	18	18	114.0	11.61	1.74	1.18	.272	82.6%	42.9%	13.6%	97.6	2.68	2.84	2.90	2.90	3.3
    8	Trevor Rogers	MIA	7	6	0	18	18	101.1	10.84	3.02	0.44	.284	77.9%	41.5%	5.9%	94.6	2.31	3.33	2.49	3.34	3.1
    9	German Marquez	COL	8	6	0	19	19	112.1	9.13	3.36	0.64	.270	72.6%	54.1%	11.1%	95.2	3.36	3.64	3.26	3.47	2.8
    10	Clayton Kershaw	LAD	9	7	0	18	18	106.1	10.75	1.61	1.10	.277	73.2%	48.1%	14.3%	90.8	3.39	3.16	2.99	2.91	2.8
    Past 3 seasons
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    #	Name	Team		W	L	SV	G	GS	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	BABIP	LOB%	GB%	HR/FB	vFA	ERA	xERA	FIP	xFIP	WAR
    1	Jacob deGrom	NYM	22	12	0	59	59	364.0	12.49	1.80	0.79	.267	82.2%	43.9%	11.1%	97.9	2.08	 	2.23	2.61	14.4
    2	Gerrit Cole	- - -	36	12	0	63	63	399.1	12.78	1.96	1.31	.268	83.6%	40.5%	16.2%	97.3	2.61	 	2.94	2.76	12.1
    3	Zack Wheeler	- - -	21	15	0	60	60	386.0	9.16	2.15	0.75	.304	73.8%	47.5%	9.9%	97.2	3.24	 	3.05	3.59	11.2
    4	Shane Bieber	CLE	30	13	0	60	59	382.1	12.03	2.21	1.15	.301	80.7%	44.8%	15.9%	93.4	2.94	 	3.01	2.90	11.1
    5	Max Scherzer	WSN	23	15	0	56	56	337.2	12.50	2.08	1.15	.309	80.8%	36.4%	12.9%	94.7	3.01	 	2.90	3.13	10.9
    6	Lance Lynn	- - -	31	17	0	62	62	383.0	10.34	2.70	1.01	.286	77.8%	38.0%	10.5%	94.5	3.20	 	3.38	3.97	10.5
    7	Zack Greinke	- - -	29	11	0	64	64	391.0	7.80	1.43	0.99	.279	75.0%	43.1%	11.4%	89.3	3.31	 	3.41	3.82	9.1
    8	Lucas Giolito	CHW	25	18	0	59	59	353.0	11.47	3.01	1.27	.274	74.8%	36.3%	14.5%	94.2	3.65	 	3.55	3.57	9.1
    9	Charlie Morton	- - -	26	11	0	60	60	331.2	10.75	2.71	0.76	.299	72.1%	47.0%	11.2%	94.9	3.42	 	3.06	3.41	9.0
    10	German Marquez	COL	24	17	0	60	60	368.0	8.85	2.49	1.05	.293	68.8%	50.8%	15.4%	95.6	4.11	 	3.64	3.58	8.5
    Here is my argument


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    I agree on Berrios. He adds less than $3 million of salary for the rest of 2021, so they stay under the luxury cap, and they have control of him for 2022. Plus the Hefner connection. The only downside is what they might have to give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    J.T. Ginn SP NYM FB-50/55 SL-55/60. CH-45/50. CMD- 35/50. Sits-91-94 Topps-96 FV-45

    He has a plus Slider and an average FB.
    He has the same velocity as Peterson, better slider-worse command

    .
    . Ok agree to disagree I guess 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    Michael Mayer@mikemayer22

    José Berríos makes a ton of sense for the Mets with Marcus Stroman and Noah Syndergaard both free agents after the season.

    In terms of how good he's been in 2021, his 2.3 fWAR is the same as Taijuan Walker.
    I like the idea of going after Berios. As for Syndergaard, I would hope he would take the QO. Stroman - let's see how he looks over the rest of the season.

    deGrom is still here for 2022 or is that one of his option years? Then you will have Walker and Carrasco as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n8ghee View Post
    Giving up Vientos AND Ginn for a rental at 3B sounds like bad business to me.

    Especially when a combo of Villar/Davis should be at least league average.


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    For Bryant and Kimbrel you make the deal. We have a shot to win a championship this year. I don't care if it is a rental in Bryant. I'm not giving up anyone that is definitely irreplaceable and to win a championship, you do it.

    Add Kimbrel to our pen and Bryant to our lineup. Get back Carrasco and we probably have the best team in the MLB

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    For Bryant and Kimbrel you make the deal. We have a shot to win a championship this year. I don't care if it is a rental in Bryant. I'm not giving up anyone that is definitely irreplaceable and to win a championship, you do it.

    Add Kimbrel to our pen and Bryant to our lineup. Get back Carrasco and we probably have the best team in the MLB

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    No I don’t.

    You might. But I don’t.


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    Trade Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    This year

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    #NameTeamWLSVGGSIPK/9BB/9HR/9BABIPLOB%GB%HR/FBvFA (pi)ERAxERAFIPxFIPWAR
    
    1Jacob deGromNYM720151592.014.281.080.59.20686.9%44.0%9.4%99.11.081.561.231.614.8
    2Zack WheelerPHI6501818119.210.911.960.53.28778.0%49.7%8.5%97.42.262.442.252.714.5
    3Carlos RodonCHW730151589.213.052.610.70.27782.7%39.5%8.6%95.92.312.542.352.943.6
    4Kevin GausmanSFG9301818114.210.442.350.63.21284.7%44.2%7.5%94.71.732.842.563.313.4
    5Nathan EovaldiBOS9501818103.18.621.740.44.33470.4%43.7%5.4%97.43.663.642.603.573.4
    6Brand WoodruffMIL7401818113.110.241.990.71.22382.9%46.5%11.0%96.72.062.732.692.943.3
    7Gerrit ColeNYY9401818114.011.611.741.18.27282.6%42.9%13.6%97.62.682.842.902.903.3
    8Trevor RogersMIA7601818101.110.843.020.44.28477.9%41.5%5.9%94.62.313.332.493.343.1
    9German MarquezCOL8601919112.19.133.360.64.27072.6%54.1%11.1%95.23.363.643.263.472.8
    10Clayton KershawLAD9701818106.110.751.611.10.27773.2%48.1%14.3%90.83.393.162.992.912.8
    Past 3 seasons
    Code:
    #NameTeamWLSVGGSIPK/9BB/9HR/9BABIPLOB%GB%HR/FBvFAERAxERAFIPxFIPWAR
    1Jacob deGromNYM221205959364.012.491.800.79.26782.2%43.9%11.1%97.92.08 2.232.6114.4
    2Gerrit Cole- - -361206363399.112.781.961.31.26883.6%40.5%16.2%97.32.61 2.942.7612.1
    3Zack Wheeler- - -211506060386.09.162.150.75.30473.8%47.5%9.9%97.23.24 3.053.5911.2
    4Shane BieberCLE301306059382.112.032.211.15.30180.7%44.8%15.9%93.42.94 3.012.9011.1
    5Max ScherzerWSN231505656337.212.502.081.15.30980.8%36.4%12.9%94.73.01 2.903.1310.9
    6Lance Lynn- - -311706262383.010.342.701.01.28677.8%38.0%10.5%94.53.20 3.383.9710.5
    7Zack Greinke- - -291106464391.07.801.430.99.27975.0%43.1%11.4%89.33.31 3.413.829.1
    8Lucas GiolitoCHW251805959353.011.473.011.27.27474.8%36.3%14.5%94.23.65 3.553.579.1
    9Charlie Morton- - -261106060331.210.752.710.76.29972.1%47.0%11.2%94.93.42 3.063.419.0
    10German MarquezCOL241706060368.08.852.491.05.29368.8%50.8%15.4%95.64.11 3.643.588.5
    Here is my argument
    Cool.

    Whatever.

    The point being, I believe Berrios has serious untapped upside much like Wheeler had when he left the Mets (that we now have to see for another team).

    I’d like to get Berrios on our squad. Big time.


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    No way we trade for Berrios with including Ginn, and I'm definitely fine with that.

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    Jon Heyman

    Mets are among multiple teams with interest in Kris Bryant, whose versatility makes him a fit for many


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    braves just got pederson one less team for bryant

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbwtr View Post
    The Mets need a mid rotation starter and probably a third baseman. The Cubs might be a match for both. However, if the Mets need to hook up with 2 teams to get the starter and the third baseman, it is possible that Davis goes in one of those trades but perhaps not in the same trade that brings the "new" third baseman back.

    The beauty of getting the mid rotation starter is that Stroman an the "new" starter will be the 4 and 5 guys once Carrasco is back. Hopefully, Carrasco goes back into his expected #2 spot and Walker stays in his #3 spot.

    If they can get one of the infielders that are being discussed (even if it's the Pirates second baseman), then McNeil has to play somewhere. Most likely that will be thirdbase.
    Now that is a deal I could go for. I know that we re very LHH, but Frazier is a slap and Judy contact hitter that we desperately need. LHP doesn't seem to phase him. I have no issue with McNiel playing 3B

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    Quote Originally Posted by n8ghee View Post
    Giving up Vientos AND Ginn for a rental at 3B sounds like bad business to me.

    Especially when a combo of Villar/Davis should be at least league average.


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    I completely agree with this. What people miss continually is that what got the Cubs in this mess in the first place was not developing solid ML players to come in and replace the high priced FA to be in Bryant/Baez/Rizzo. Everyone is so concerned next year about who the mets will sign back, Stro'/Conforto/Thor. When you have guys in your system like Ginn/Rocker/Vientos you don't trade them for a guy like Bryant that is only going to add another name to the FA to be list this winter. It's either Bryant or Conforto and Bryant will be making a whole lot more than Michael will. On top of that you lose Ginn/Vientos. Makes no sense at all. Pass.

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