NBA Playoffs Series Thread (1) Sixers vs (5) Hawks Atlanta wins 4-3

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Does anyone think the Sixers win that game if Simmons doesn’t get in foul trouble


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https://twitter.com/barstoolbigcat/s...570426369?s=21

That’s funny


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A little after that seeing Young try with all his might to push Embiid and him not moving at all added to the hilarity of the whole thing.

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A little after that seeing Young try with all his might to push Embiid and him not moving at all added to the hilarity of the whole thing.

Basketball fights are clown shows. I was glad they went double tech on that though. They let them beat the **** out of each other. You can’t do that then call 400 technicians if they push each other after the whistle once


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[Kobe1016]

Joel is not happy about the officiating. Hopefully his politics will work for Game 7

[Kobe1016]

Tyrese Maxey. ' Tonight was the first Game 6 of my career. We haven't done anything yet. Can't wait to get back to Philly in front of our home fans.' What composure. Sounds like a 10 year vet.

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Tyrese Maxey. ' Tonight was the first Game 6 of my career. We haven't done anything yet. Can't wait to get back to Philly in front of our home fans.' What composure. Sounds like a 10 year vet.

He should get the starting nod, him and Thyb are a tough young duo.

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[Hofmann] Joel Embiid: "I was hacked all night and I don't think I got a free throw until the fourth quarter." "I told them they had to call it both ways... Especially because of the minimal contact, they get, the point guard..."

dont give me that ******** anymore... he is so right its sad. If iverson got the treatment trey gets we would have won titles and i aint a massive iverson guy. Joel was destroyed all night.. he was hit by 3 guys constantly and trey had 6 ****ing fts 2 minutes into the game on ******** calls... the nba needs to get their heads out of their *** and stop trying to suck off little guys that can score and jump into contact... i dont give a **** if it was an away game... shaq dealt with this **** because he was unstoppable and it wasnt right then and its not right now... just because a guy is unstoppable and massive doesnt mean they are allowed to foul the **** out of them. This is why the nba is stupid

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Is Maxey the PG that can’t shoot that the Sixers have been trying to draft for so long?


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[warfelg]

The problem with Ben is many fold, but it starts with two things:

He's not a PG and someone in the FO is coddling him and letting him continue this charade.

There's some basic PG things outside of the shooting alone that Ben just doesn't or can't (due to size) do that needs to happen. He picks up his dribble way too much in the paint. Sometimes it leads to some unbelievable passes and sequences, but often it leads to turnovers or guys jacking up shots. Sometimes he leaves his feet without the defense having moved, leaving himself hanging.

I think it's a size thing, but he can't really probe the lane and pressure defenses because of his size. He can't really get in and out of the lane that easily to offset not having a shot. So when the defense doesn't react it creates some issues, especially when he picks up the dribble.

I remember having this same argument with another mod a few years ago who was insistent that Simmons just needed to jack up 3's even at a 20% clip, and I called it out as stupid. I said he needed to become a better foul shooter so he could drive and not worry about what's to come next. He needed to develop a better floater to cause some problems so teams couldn't just wait for him.

I keep coming back to he's shooting with his wrong hand. Trust me as someone that shoots with their off hand it's a challenge in certain things. I'm lefty but shoot righty. I suck at certain shots (like moving to my left really well, I can't twist to shoot cleanly). He needs to just have someone sit him down and tell him to shoot with his ****ing right hand. He's got to think and process too much to shoot left handed and that's why the issue is mental for him. It's not natural to do what he's doing.

This is why, even if he doesn't hit the full on peak he could hit, a move for Ben is likely the best thing. Someone within Philly is coddling him and telling him what he's doing is ok to do. We changed coaches and even Doc has gone from "I'm gonna be tough on him" to the same soft as baby **** spot that Brett Brown was in with "oh when it happens it happens". Partially I'm gonna blame Scott O'Neal, because he was the **** **** that insinuated that Joel would be traded before Simmons. So I really think getting moved to a team that thinks they can rebuild the shot, play him at PF rather than PG, and not be afraid to be tough with him is a good move. I am curious if SAS would do White+Picks for Ben. Send the picks with other picks out for a SF from our end then.

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The problem with Ben is many fold, but it starts with two things:

He's not a PG and someone in the FO is coddling him and letting him continue this charade.

There's some basic PG things outside of the shooting alone that Ben just doesn't or can't (due to size) do that needs to happen. He picks up his dribble way too much in the paint. Sometimes it leads to some unbelievable passes and sequences, but often it leads to turnovers or guys jacking up shots. Sometimes he leaves his feet without the defense having moved, leaving himself hanging.

I think it's a size thing, but he can't really probe the lane and pressure defenses because of his size. He can't really get in and out of the lane that easily to offset not having a shot. So when the defense doesn't react it creates some issues, especially when he picks up the dribble.

I remember having this same argument with another mod a few years ago who was insistent that Simmons just needed to jack up 3's even at a 20% clip, and I called it out as stupid. I said he needed to become a better foul shooter so he could drive and not worry about what's to come next. He needed to develop a better floater to cause some problems so teams couldn't just wait for him.

I keep coming back to he's shooting with his wrong hand. Trust me as someone that shoots with their off hand it's a challenge in certain things. I'm lefty but shoot righty. I suck at certain shots (like moving to my left really well, I can't twist to shoot cleanly). He needs to just have someone sit him down and tell him to shoot with his ****ing right hand. He's got to think and process too much to shoot left handed and that's why the issue is mental for him. It's not natural to do what he's doing.

This is why, even if he doesn't hit the full on peak he could hit, a move for Ben is likely the best thing. Someone within Philly is coddling him and telling him what he's doing is ok to do. We changed coaches and even Doc has gone from "I'm gonna be tough on him" to the same soft as baby **** spot that Brett Brown was in with "oh when it happens it happens". Partially I'm gonna blame Scott O'Neal, because he was the **** **** that insinuated that Joel would be traded before Simmons. So I really think getting moved to a team that thinks they can rebuild the shot, play him at PF rather than PG, and not be afraid to be tough with him is a good move. I am curious if SAS would do White+Picks for Ben. Send the picks with other picks out for a SF from our end then.

He can’t shoot, doesn’t have a floater, has 0 wiggle in his dribble game, and little footwork in the post. Those are skill issues. Size/speed/natural coordination are his savior but right now he is too soft to use that either


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[beasted86]

He can’t shoot, doesn’t have a floater, has 0 wiggle in his dribble game, and little footwork in the post. Those are skill issues. Size/speed/natural coordination are his savior but right now he is too soft to use that either


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And he's making the max....wow.

I guess the real question here is whether Ben is what he is or if he can get better in even one of these areas?

I think with dedication over just a 4 month off-season with the right trainers he can do it. But does he even want to do it? He hasn't developed in one single category since a rookie. He came into the league without a post game, a floater, a jumper, a FT shot, a euro step, etc. And 5+ years later he has added none of those. All he's done is become stronger and more fit. I totally blame Philly management and coaching.

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And he's making the max....wow.

I guess the real question here is whether Ben is what he is or if he can get better in even one of these areas?

I think with dedication over just a 4 month off-season with the right trainers he can do it. But does he even want to do it? He hasn't developed in one single category since a rookie. He came into the league without a post game, a floater, a jumper, a FT shot, a euro step, etc. And 5+ years later he has added none of those. All he's done is become stronger and more fit. I totally blame Philly management and coaching.

I think you have to blame the player but I agree. He has an elite natural foundation to build on. Floor sense plus very elite, size and speed. I think that is huge bc it means that if he can get better at anything it makes everything else easier. If Ben can shoot a 15 footer, he can get a shoulder past guys easier and more cuts will be available to him etc. This is why I like Obi Toppin on the Knicks. Its too a lesser degree but bc of his natural foundation, touch and floor sense newly learned skills can easily build on one another. You have to improve to make that happen though.

It not going to take elite skills in these learned areas but bottom line is he has to get better and really hasn’t


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Is Maxey the PG that can’t shoot that the Sixers have been trying to draft for so long?


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I think he is full of **** but he is dealing with a lot of adversity. He’s hurt and he didn’t have it last night but he still helped drag his team across the finish line by bullying, rebounding on both ends, making key free throws, and playing D. His play was gutty. His post game was cunty


**** Sorry meant to quote MTM and Joel’s post game rant


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[tp13baby]

After game 5 and 6 where Joel struggled more than he usually does, more than likely due to injury. He is gonna ball out and take the 6ers to the ECF. He is built for it regardless of how much he is injured.

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Shaq, Kenny, and Chuck going in on Ben Simmons... I love it!