NBA Playoffs Series Thread (1) Sixers vs (5) Hawks Atlanta wins 4-3

[warfelg]

Thats the thing, the 6ers arsenal and majority of their offense comes from their front court. Their wing players are spot up shooters or catch and shoot players. Their pg isn't offensive minded. In order to exploit that match up they would need to have the Hawks switch on every procession until Trae gets matched with Embiid or Harris. And of course the Hawks are doing their best on every possession to avoid that. Or if Ben tries to take it to the hole and maximize on that size advantage they'll just foul him and send him to the free throw line. The Hawks simply match up well against the 6ers imo, and the refs are taking the 6ers ability away of using their size and physicality.

What youre saying works in theory, but I'm not sure the 6ers have the pieces to execute it. Their 1 is a pass first player, and their 2&3 guys cant really create. So if you get Danny Green on Trae for example, it doesnt really help because Green has 0 handles and unles he catches and shoots over Trae that miss match is not going to be very effective. Similar scenario with Curry. Simmons is getting the hack a shaq treatment so he cant really take advantage of any mismatch really. That leaves the front court players, but more often than not Capela or Collins provide help d, even in the event that Trae does get matched up with those guys.

The issue on our offensive end is actually quite a bit easier, and that's to have Danny Green actually move. He just stood in the corner and let Young get away without doing anything.

I think what he's referring to is more when the Sixers are on defense, which all depends on how the game is called. If they let our bigger defenders play like they are just bigger and not call ticky tack things or call fouls when they jump into a bigger defender and bounce off then our size is going to be a huge asset.

[beasted86]

Thats the thing, the 6ers arsenal and majority of their offense comes from their front court. Their wing players are spot up shooters or catch and shoot players. Their pg isn't offensive minded. In order to exploit that match up they would need to have the Hawks switch on every procession until Trae gets matched with Embiid or Harris. And of course the Hawks are doing their best on every possession to avoid that. Or if Ben tries to take it to the hole and maximize on that size advantage they'll just foul him and send him to the free throw line. The Hawks simply match up well against the 6ers imo, and the refs are taking the 6ers ability away of using their size and physicality.

What youre saying works in theory, but I'm not sure the 6ers have the pieces to execute it. Their 1 is a pass first player, and their 2&3 guys cant really create. So if you get Danny Green on Trae for example, it doesnt really help because Green has 0 handles and unles he catches and shoots over Trae that miss match is not going to be very effective. Similar scenario with Curry. Simmons is getting the hack a shaq treatment so he cant really take advantage of any mismatch really. That leaves the front court players, but more often than not Capela or Collins provide help d, even in the event that Trae does get matched up with those guys.

Yes, same difference. If they don't have the personnel, that's still their fault. Everyone in the off-season was clamoring about spot up shooters needs to understand this limitation of guys are one dimensional.

If there isn't enough movement in the offense to cause Trae to have to run around punishing screens or potentially defend a guy who's capable of scoring over him, passing over him, or knocking down free throws, it's still their fault for not being able to exploit the opponent's weak point.

[ewing]

Trey Young gets all the love but Gallo’s goofy unathletic slow motion flop is top shelf

[warfelg]

I do feel there's a good amount of overreation though when you consider in the 1st half the Sixers shot about 45% from the floor and the Hawks were 65% and 70% from 3. In the second half the Hawks actually shot their season average, the Sixers D started to play the way they can, and we close the deficit. The fact that there isn't more talk about the almost historic shooting night the Hawks had is kinda skewing the discussion though.

[warfelg]

Trey Young gets all the love but Gallo’s goofy unathletic slow motion flop is top shelf

Makes me actually appreciate Marcus Smart and Kyle Lowry's flopping abilities.

[smith&wesson]

This is my favorite series so far. I think it is bc the Trey Young pick and roll and how you defend it so huge.


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and because its competitive lol. this and the Denver vs PHX series should be interesting.

[smith&wesson]

Makes me actually appreciate Marcus Smart and Kyle Lowry's flopping abilities.

Its become an art form lol

[smith&wesson]

The issue on our offensive end is actually quite a bit easier, and that's to have Danny Green actually move. He just stood in the corner and let Young get away without doing anything.

I think what he's referring to is more when the Sixers are on defense, which all depends on how the game is called. If they let our bigger defenders play like they are just bigger and not call ticky tack things or call fouls when they jump into a bigger defender and bounce off then our size is going to be a huge asset.

ahh ok I see what you guys mean, I thought we were talking the other way around. But yeah that makes sense.

honestly Green frustrates me for various reasons but I dont want to harp on him. I just think he shrinks in big moments even as a role player.

[warfelg]

Its become an art form lol

A good flop definitely. NBA has kinda gotten away from penalizing them too which is a shame. Seems to care more about eyes on TVs between games than having and actual good product.

[smith&wesson]

A good flop definitely. NBA has kinda gotten away from penalizing them too which is a shame. Seems to care more about eyes on TVs between games than having and actual good product.

Do you remember when Kyle Lowry drew 3 consecutive charges in the ALL Star game last year? that's when I knew which way the league was going with that. Imagine doing nothing all game and then taking 3 charges to make an impact in a friggen All Star game. It became his calling after that lol

[beasted86]

A good flop definitely. NBA has kinda gotten away from penalizing them too which is a shame. Seems to care more about eyes on TVs between games than having and actual good product.

I've watched a couple of PJ Tucker flops this playoffs which have definitely been "fine-worthy".

[smith&wesson]

Yes, same difference. If they don't have the personnel, that's still their fault. Everyone in the off-season was clamoring about spot up shooters needs to understand this limitation of guys are one dimensional.

If there isn't enough movement in the offense to cause Trae to have to run around punishing screens or potentially defend a guy who's capable of scoring over him, passing over him, or knocking down free throws, it's still their fault for not being able to exploit the opponent's weak point.

Completely agree, and Green is exactly what you’re describing.

Morey just took over last year, I think he will retool that roster. I actually believe that if Morey was around when Butler was a 6er, that we would have seen Simmons get shopped while Butler would have been made a priority to retain. In the playoffs I truly believe you need that perimeter player who can create for himself and get that bucket when needed. To me that’s exactly what the 6ers are missing.

[warfelg]

Do you remember when Kyle Lowry drew 3 consecutive charges in the ALL Star game last year? that's when I knew which way the league was going with that. Imagine doing nothing all game and then taking 3 charges to make an impact in a friggen All Star game. It became his calling after that lol

I've watched a couple of PJ Tucker flops this playoffs which have definitely been "fine-worthy".

You guys want the bad? Seems McMillan is encouraging it:

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#Hawks coach Nate McMillan on Trae Young's ability to draw fouls: 'That's a skill some guys have and they do it better than others. ... They take advantage of the pressure that's applied to them. It's a weapon for them - just like a jump shot.' Cites Harden & Paul as 2 examples.

Completely agree, and Green is exactly what you’re describing.

Morey just took over last year, I think he will retool that roster. I actually believe that if Morey was around when Butler was a 6er, that we would have seen Simmons get shopped while Butler would have been made a priority to retain. In the playoffs I truly believe you need that perimeter player who can create for himself and get that bucket when needed. To me that’s exactly what the 6ers are missing.

Yes and no....Maxey can do it but needs to grow some. Harris can do it but can't take his time doing it. Shake can do it but his confidence is gone. Hill kinda sorta can do it. I think what made Butler a fit with it is we were able to get away with still hiding JJ on defense. If we were to do something like CJ for Harris it almost requires moving Curry to the bench or in a trade because it would leave us vulnerable defensively.

[SteBO]

If Atlanta were to somehow win this series, we'll see how long McMillan maintains that stance lol.....easy to say that when you're guy's doing the bull****

[smith&wesson]

You guys want the bad? Seems McMillan is encouraging it:




Yes and no....Maxey can do it but needs to grow some. Harris can do it but can't take his time doing it. Shake can do it but his confidence is gone. Hill kinda sorta can do it. I think what made Butler a fit with it is we were able to get away with still hiding JJ on defense. If we were to do something like CJ for Harris it almost requires moving Curry to the bench or in a trade because it would leave us vulnerable defensively.

I like Maxey’s game but you’re right he just needs some time to develop further. He could very well become that player.

And yeah that’s nice and easy for McMillan to say until we see Embiid go to the foul line 15x lol… he might have a different opinion then